lol Yeah we use to see who could find the cheapest E85. When was that? Summer of 07 or 08 when gas was just outrageous.
E-85
- Thread starter Stalker
- Start date
lol Yeah we use to see who could find the cheapest E85. When was that? Summer of 07 or 08 when gas was just outrageous.
Yeah, I almost took a picture the other day. It was pretty cheap and I almost used it for old times sake. That's when Meijer was giving .10 off a gallon using their CC. Now it's just .05
soap
Forum Member
I am still not buying that you have to swap over all lines/rails etc to make the switch. If your pumps/injectors can supply the 30% more fuel I don't think you need anything.
I know quite a few guys with 03-04 Cobra's running OEM lines/rails using E-85/98. All they did was get higher volume pumps and injectors to supply the extra fuel. No issues with corrosion.
--Joe
I know quite a few guys with 03-04 Cobra's running OEM lines/rails using E-85/98. All they did was get higher volume pumps and injectors to supply the extra fuel. No issues with corrosion.
--Joe
We are talking DD's. I would find it hard to believe those guys are DD'ing their cars. Maybe they are, but I wouldn't take the chance. Why would the OEM's spend the extra money? Because they just wanted too? I think not
cjmatt
Club Member
How come every gas pump in Michigan says, contains 10% Ethanol?
Do the fuel pumps just not worry about 10% conductivity thru the ethanol and not the gasoline? Do only 10% of your fuel lines corrode? Sure, you wont have the fuel sensor to see what mix of ethanol you have, so your tune could go off, but it WILL run. OEM's spend alot of money developing E85 systems because the car has to be able to run E85 exclusively for at least 150k miles.
Ill be at the Milan rental in my 1989 Mustang, running only E85, with injectors, and non e85 rated fuel pumps, try and catch me
OK, so 85% and 10% are pretty much the same percent right? Great comparison :lol: Of course the OEM's build for extreme conditions, but the fact remains it's a rough fuel for a cars system. Not only the fuel system, but the engine itself.
I'm glad you will be at Milan running e85, I'm sure this car will be your daily driver from now on right? How many miles do you think it will log? 12-15k like a normal DD? Just because you can run e85 with a fuel system NOT designed for it, doesn't mean it's good for it.
Did you know you can run a mix of trans fluid and diesel in a diesel truck? Sure it smokes ALOT, but I'm sure it doesn't effect anything right?
cjmatt
Club Member
totally different. modern engines can handle E85 just fine. would i run it in my lincoln, not a chance. but its not going to kill a new charger with teflon fuel lines
DarkoStoj
A mysterious figure named Darko
my camaro in no way is prepped to run E85...... I think there is a lot of hype about it being more corrosive than it is....i guess we'll see huh :nuts:
That means nothing! The car will run on it, so it's safe to do :lol:
FYI, I helped my Uncle change a fuel pump, tank and sending unit because his 1992 Mark VII sat for a couple years without driving it. The car has less than 12k miles and is stored in climate controlled building. Just the water in the fuel from it rusted everything. Granted this car didn't get driven, but it was 93* fuel and not e85.
moneypit
Club Member
cjmatt
Club Member
actually it does not require stainless lines. You can run teflon lines no problem.
This is all talk, just like if you switch from regular oil to synthetic, your gaskets are all gonna start leaking uncontrollably, if you dont change your oil every 3000 miles your motor will blow up, and 93 octane makes everyones car run better.
I understand it is more corrosive to certain materials, but i also know that the F-150 does not have flex fuel specific fuel lines or gas tank...I cant think of any new cars that come with plain old steel gas lines...and in every competitive teardown Ive been on. Im pretty sure they all use plastic push to lock fittings on the fuel rails too, not rubber seals. All OEM's are using materials now that arent going to deteriorate because you decide to run E-85 for the summer in a car that can handle the fueling needs. I wont be storing my car for extended periods because of the water absorbsion either. The biggest problem with converting a non e-85 car to e85 only is that you need to have gas stations around everywhere in case you run out...thats your biggest problem because the car wont compensate for regular gas if you fill it up
But of course the dealer is gonna make it sound deathly necessary to pay for the flex fuel option, its like an extra $500
Last edited:
No, the F-150 tank and lines aren't different because they use stuff that will work with e85. Once again I'm sure Ryan's Charger DOESN'T.
There isn't a $500 flex fuel option and if there was it's because of the factory, not the dealer.
I know you want to be right on this, but the fact is a non-e85 car requires a bunch of work to be run for an extended period of time with e85. Running e85 in a non-e85 car without changing key fuel system parts is not a good idea.
Yes, you can pull up to the pump, fill up, drive down the road, question is.,....for how long? I'm willing to bet Ryan doesn't want to take that chance for the pennies he might save.
RedXtcy
Club Member
e85 in sport bikes it has made 5-10 hp on the dyno by adding more fuel (37%)...
now it runs out faster..
only other fuel to make that much more on a bike is oxidized race fuel like MR9 or other type's that cost $20 a gallon... plus you cant leave MR9 in your tank or it will destroy your fuel pump. must run it out then flush it with regulator fuel
i can switch back from gas and e85 with the flip of a switch.
but the way i see it 2.29 a gal with the same resulats as $20 a gal. i love it.
now it runs out faster..
only other fuel to make that much more on a bike is oxidized race fuel like MR9 or other type's that cost $20 a gallon... plus you cant leave MR9 in your tank or it will destroy your fuel pump. must run it out then flush it with regulator fuel
i can switch back from gas and e85 with the flip of a switch.
but the way i see it 2.29 a gal with the same resulats as $20 a gal. i love it.
webleedorange619
Club Member
x2 My dad is a fuel systems engineer and he says your nuts to add bigger injectors/pump and run e-85 on a non e-85 capable car, granted he says that from an OEM engineers stand point. He has done the testing on e-85 first hand and im gonna go with his input on it.
Last edited:
My Dad can beat your Dad up and make you use e85 in your car :lol:
cjmatt
Club Member
I hear ya. I sat in a meeting yesterday where the engineer wanted to add 3 turbos to eliminate all lag :banghead:
webleedorange619
Club Member
Prolly, judging by the size of you and junior i bet hes 7'0 300lbs lol
Last edited:
