Driving this morning.

91trunk

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People are stupid! If you are scared to do the speed limit on a two lane road and are causing a 15 car back up, PULL THE FUCK OVER!!!

Yes, I know the roads were alittle slick this morning but come on. Look in your fucking rearview mirror and realize you are holding up all the traffic.


:swear:

At least some states are doing something about slow drivers.
msn said:
In these days of longer commutes and simmering tempers, nothing seems to set off already-testy motorists like the left-lane camper -- the guy or gal who drives in the passing lane and bars faster drivers from easily passing. Web sites have cropped up to educate other drivers, or to vent. There's a (somewhat painful) YouTube song called "Keep Right."

Even bigwigs get frustrated. Pennsylvania Gov. Edward Rendell, weary of having his limo slowed down by such left-lane pokies, ordered an aide to have the Pennsylvania Turnpike Commission install signs a few years ago reading "Keep Right, Pass Left. It's the Law."

And now some states are cracking down on left-lane campers, both to keep traffic moving and to tamp down the road rage that goes from zero-to-60 faster than ever before.

That's not just a pretext. Last year, a driver was arrested on Interstate 79 outside Pittsburgh after allegedly brandishing a semiautomatic pistol at a driver who was on his tail.

You could get a ticket
Some states didn't allow left-lane lingering but didn't enforce the law. Now they are.

At the start of the summer, the Washington State Patrol began pulling people over for violating the state's left-lane law, which prohibits "impeding the flow of other traffic."

"This a real big hot-button topic for the public at large right now," says Trooper Cliff Pratt. "We've had a lot of complaints" from drivers who've had to deal with left-lane campers.

So far authorities have been gentle with the $124 ticket; the drivers stopped were given verbal warnings.

Last year, news outlets reported that Oklahoma was bolstering enforcement of its left-lane law as well.

"We deal with it weekly," Lt. George Brown, supervisor of public affairs for the Oklahoma Highway Patrol, said of left-lane drivers going too slowly. He's issued more warnings than tickets.

Insurers haven't gotten aggressive yet, either, but this kind of ticket has the potential to raise rates.

"Any moving violation that applies points to a driver's record could affect that driver's car insurance rates," says Susan Gallik Rouser, a spokeswoman for Progressive. "And because left-lane driving would be considered as such an infraction, we would take that into account when renewing a driver's policy."

What's the law in your state?
The laws vary widely, according to John Carr, who works for a software company in the Boston area and who compiled a list of the rules in each state after taking an interest in the issue:

A few states -- for instance, Kentucky, Maine Massachusetts and New Jersey -- permit use of the left lane only for passing or turning left.

Georgia, Colorado and Louisiana follow the Uniform Vehicle Code, requiring drivers to keep right if they're going slower than the speed of traffic.

Wyoming prohibits blocking the far left lane of a highway "for a prolonged period," though it adds that the traffic should be "at a lawful rate of speed."

In Arkansas and South Dakota, vehicles don't have to stay right.

In Alaska, Maryland, North Carolina and Ohio, vehicles can drive in the left lane so long as they're moving at the speed limit.

Florida is trying to join in: Lawmakers reintroduced a Road Rage Reduction Act this year, requiring motorists to stay out of the left lane on interstate highways except when passing. It passed the Legislature in 2005 but was vetoed by then-Gov. Jeb Bush, who questioned whether it was based on sound research.

It's no wonder drivers can be confused, and often frustrated.

'One of my biggest pet peeves'
One of those exasperated drivers in your rearview mirror might be Eli Dozier.

"That's one of my biggest pet peeves in the world, is when people stay in the left lane. They're not passing, they've got people behind them, trying to go around, and they just cruise," says Dozier, 31 and a stay-at-home dad.

"It's probably the most uncourteous thing you can do," he says, adding that it's "obviously" unsafe.

"I'm a fast driver," Dozier allows. "But if I'm not passing, I don't use that left lane at all."

So what's a frustrated motorist to do?

Dozier heard in a chat room about some windshield decals that said "Slower Traffic," with an arrow pointing to the right-hand lane, printed backward in large letters for reading in a rearview mirror. "And so I immediately ordered one. I jumped on it."

He loves the thing. "Most people, it's just inattentiveness" that keeps them in the passing lane, Dozier says. "Most people, when you pass them, they'll give you a wave. They're thankful" for the reminder.

At least, he says, women tend to be. Men sometimes take Dozier's sticker as an affront and will retaliate by slowing down, he says. There have been some middle fingers, some choice words. And then, Dozier says, "I have been known to show them how good the back of my car looks." At very close range. Which only exacerbates the situation.

Overall, though, both he and his wife are delighted with the results, he says. They recently bought her a Dodge Ram 1500 with a quad cab, and they've ordered a decal like his for it.

Pennsylvania authorities also find that reminders do work. "Anecdotally," says Carl DeFebo of the Pennsylvania Turnpike Authority, "you do see a lot less people . . . enjoying the weather" in the passing lane since 25 signs went up on the turnpike in 2003 and 2004. It probably helps that "sometimes our police will actually enforce this," DeFebo adds, handing out warnings or tickets that add up to $108.

Courtesy counts
The creator of those stickers, J.A. Tosti, is also director and founder of Left Lane Drivers of America. "What we're seeking to do is raise awareness," he explains.

A frustrating experience was a "Eureka!" moment for Tosti. "One day I was driving one of the local freeways in the area here -- we're not far from Portland (Ore.) -- and I got behind a guy who was going slow in the left lane," says Tosti. "And I got to thinking, boy, it sure would be nice if I could reach out and tap this guy on the shoulder and ask him to move over. And that's when the light bulb went off."

Tosti went home and designed a see-through decal for windshields that says "REVO EVOM." Seen in a rearview mirror, it reads "MOVE OVER."

"It's been a labor of love," says Tosti, who didn't disclose how many $29 stickers he's sold. He would like to sell more to law-enforcement agencies.

Tosti said aggression only aggravates other drivers. For him, response to the decal on his car has always been positive and pleasant -- in large part because he is a patient, nontailgating driver.

"It's amazing how effective it is," he says. "On one trip from Portland to Seattle, I felt at times like I was sweeping the left lane with a broom."

A faster, more courteous -- and well-swept -- highway? Sounds like something most folks could live with.

Defending the driving
But not everyone agrees with those who tell them to get out of the way.

"The left lane is for passing . . . not a license to speed till you kill someone," wrote a contributor to Motor Trend's blog. "Grow up. If I'm in the left lane doing 65 while the speed limit's 80, I'll move over. But if I'm doing the speed limit, and someone decides he's Mario Andretti . . . he/she can go around me and break the law further up the highway."

Washington state law says, "It is a traffic infraction to drive continuously in the left lane of a multilane roadway when it impedes the flow of other traffic."

"I think there is some misunderstanding," Pratt says. "A lot of people think that if they're going at or near the speed limit that they don't have to get out of the lane."

And the left-lane driving debate goes on.
 
Yeah. I can understand if the roads are hella slick, then going slow is needed. I can live with going 5-10mph under the speed limit on slippery than normal roads. If it is a white out or the roads are a complete sheet of ice, then go however fast you can drive. But going 15-25 mph on a 45mph road that isn't even all that bad is dumb.

Go 5-10mph under the speed limit to be safe and keep your distance from the person in front of you. That is what I normally do if the roads are slick.

M-15 wasn't bad this morning, stayed at about 50mph. But I75 was clear.

But on the other side of the spectrum, don't be a douche nozzle and tailgate people or go 15-25+ over the speed limit when the roads are slick. That is just as dumb as the people going 15-25mph.
 
waity if granholm has her way the left lane will be carpool only so she going to remove 1 lane from all the expressways
 
I Turn on all the light son my truck, fogs, headlights, roof runners everything. Get a lil close and hold the damn horn down till they move. Normally takes about 20 seconds to 4 mintues and they gtf outa the way.
 
People get out of the way much more when I drive the Jeep.. guess they can see I don't care one bit about body damage. :D
 
yeah...it was a pain this morning...speed limit 40 and she was doing 15 TOPS...tappin her brakes the WHOLE way...i looked behind me and must have been 13-14 cars backed up.....
 
I flipped it into 4 wheel drive, but everytime I wanted to pass a car appeared. I would have had to pass at least 12 cars. I didn't want to be unsafe doing it, so I just backed off and tried not to fall asleep.
 
One of my biggest fears is when I'm 87 years
old I'll be driving 32 MPH on the freeway! :scared:
 
Yea, 4 am this morning I took my G/F in to work because she don't really like driving in this when it gets bad. Although I am going to break her of that shortly. Since we have a 4 wheel drive jeep with new tires.

But I do agree, even if the roads are a little slick. Don't abuse the privilege to do a little under the speed limit. On a 45 MPH road do maybe 35-40 at the slowest. This morning I drove around in 2 wheel drive and had no problem doing the speed limit. You just need to be smart and not tailgate people.

It does this shit every year and a lot of people forget how to drive in it. I think they need to take a drivers test in the middle of winter. That way they learn both sides of the spectrum, both clear roads and icy slick roads.
 
23 in Genesee county was friggin terrible this morning. I might as well have put on hockey skates and got outta the truck. 25 miles an hour and any braking or throttle was useless. 65-70 once I hit livingston county though.

M-15 at the southern end of Genesee county was kinda rough too, but 40 wasn't pushing it. As far as getting up to 55+, I could have done it in 2wd, but would never in a half mile been able to stop. Lots of people think just because they can get to that speed they can stop just as easily.

Driving slow when it's shitty beats playing pinball with 2+ tons of steel and junk.
 
I had to take my notch to work today....the traction control was kicking in every second....thank god my notch has traction control.
 
Milan was TERRIBLE. I couldn't (and didn't feel safe) going over 30 mph. My car was spinning in 4th gear@20mph just easing onto the accelerator. Everything was fine one I got onto US23 though.
 
when that happens to me (left lane campers) I follow close and do the flash to pass lights on them and if they dont move over so I can pass I grab my cell and make like i am phoning in their plate #

I hate that crap worst than anything, ppl who hangout in the passing lane playing with their snappers....

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