DPMCHGEE's S80 Turbo Upgrade.

[dpmcghee]

looks great Dan...where are all the spots on Tele now....i havent seen as many people out the past couple yrs?

Well, it was kinda slow last summer over there from what I hear. I was there only a couple of times because my car was down for several of the summer months.

I know that Joy and Tele still had guys hanging out there on weekends. Casper and 1979hatchback were there quite a bit. I plan to be out there myself this summer.

Dan

 

[P.F.M.]

I would love to mini-tub the car. I definately seeing it happen someday in the future. Only way that I won't do that is if I have to lose the tailpipes. If I can't keep the pipes, then I won't mini-tub it.

Looking forward to seeing you run your car this year, too! I've heard its really nice.

BTW, do you have any recent pictures of it with the turbo under hood? I would like to see them. Post 'em up, even in my thread if you want. I wouldn't mind at all.

Dan

http://www.turbochargedpower.com/Moody 92 LX.htm


Thanks Dan there is a couple here. I dont have any new ones taken yet. But not much is changing anyways. I bet some one could do somthing for the pipes but who knows. I thing you are standing on the fence getting ready to fall on the other side. I would bet with things sorted out on your car it will go 150's and you know what that means..... Laundry time

 

[Draco]

Well, it was kinda slow last summer over there from what I hear. I was there only a couple of times because my car was down for several of the summer months.

I know that Joy and Tele still had guys hanging out there on weekends. Casper and 1979hatchback were there quite a bit. I plan to be out there myself this summer.

Dan

well ill definitely be out alot and hope to see you cruisin'... you definitely have a nice car...

 

[Sean124]

That Turbo Kit looks familiar.

http://www.turbochargedpower.com/Moody 92 LX.htm


Thanks Dan there is a couple here. I dont have any new ones taken yet. But not much is changing anyways. I bet some one could do somthing for the pipes but who knows. I thing you are standing on the fence getting ready to fall on the other side. I would bet with things sorted out on your car it will go 150's and you know what that means..... Laundry time

 

[4v Shane]

well ill definitely be out alot and hope to see you cruisin'... you definitely have a nice car...

:thumbup: might not be around the area to long it seems the cops seem to be getting less and less understanding. The young honda driving tools seem to fuck it up.

 

[igotaneed4speed]

Just food for thought I can get flanges and v-band style clamps to fit your cold side.

The S80 uses the same size and style housing as mine and I have a aluminum elbow that clamps to the outlet with a v-ban makes a 90 degree bend and transitions into a 4" raised lip for use with hose and a constant v clamp...


Btw... Looks bad ass those thing will support 1200hp, should see a huge improvement over the 76 at the same boost level. I'd say 30hp+ prob. in the 15-16 psi range easily and more in the mid upper 20's with the drop in bp you should see...

 

[dpmcghee]

Just food for thought I can get flanges and v-band style clamps to fit your cold side.

The S80 uses the same size and style housing as mine and I have a aluminum elbow that clamps to the outlet with a v-ban makes a 90 degree bend and transitions into a 4" raised lip for use with hose and a constant v clamp...


Btw... Looks bad ass those thing will support 1200hp, should see a huge improvement over the 76 at the same boost level. I'd say 30hp+ prob. in the 15-16 psi range easily and more in the mid upper 20's with the drop in bp you should see...

Derrick, thanks for the offer, but at this point Sean has it pretty much wrapped up as far as fabbing, pipes, etc... He did put a v-band clamp in the fender area to connect two of the pipes together. I didn't want a hose coupler in there because it is hard to get to if it blew off, which it did a couple of times with the old pipes.

We'll see what it makes on the dyno sometime this week. There is a guy on an F-body site that made over 120rwhp more at the same boost level (20lbs) on a 408 LS1 just by switching from a pt76 to this ST80. I would love to see those kind of results.

Dan

 

[Sean124]

Thanx for the offer Derrick. Dan had a whole bunch of Fix request and I got it wrapped up saturday. Did come up with fix's If the charge pipes blow off now I'd be very surprised. . I may take you up on some fof those flanges. Hit me up via PM.

Sean

Just food for thought I can get flanges and v-band style clamps to fit your cold side.

The S80 uses the same size and style housing as mine and I have a aluminum elbow that clamps to the outlet with a v-ban makes a 90 degree bend and transitions into a 4" raised lip for use with hose and a constant v clamp...


Btw... Looks bad ass those thing will support 1200hp, should see a huge improvement over the 76 at the same boost level. I'd say 30hp+ prob. in the 15-16 psi range easily and more in the mid upper 20's with the drop in bp you should see...

 

[2L8IWIN]

All you need is a stick shift! it will slow that thing down a good 30-40mph


and I know what you mean. There is definetely a point of 'to fast'

:bigthumb:

Thanks doctor.




I'll play around a little bit here or there, but nothing too serious. Like you, I just have too much to loose to get serious about the street...

We can definately do something at the track, although I will probably be left to only doing 1/8mile passes this year. A couple of guys think my car might go as fast as 160mph (I think that this is optimistic, but it should have no problem going at least low-150s). If this is the case, I need a lot more cage, a parachute (which I don't really want to put on the car), and a serious brake upgrade. I still have drums in the back

Dan

 

[LTLHOMER]

Just food for thought I can get flanges and v-band style clamps to fit your cold side.

The S80 uses the same size and style housing as mine and I have a aluminum elbow that clamps to the outlet with a v-ban makes a 90 degree bend and transitions into a 4" raised lip for use with hose and a constant v clamp...


Btw... Looks bad ass those thing will support 1200hp, should see a huge improvement over the 76 at the same boost level. I'd say 30hp+ prob. in the 15-16 psi range easily and more in the mid upper 20's with the drop in bp you should see...

You plan on going faster than Dan too right? 9 teens with a 4-speed right?

 

[igotaneed4speed]

You plan on going faster than Dan too right? 9 teens with a 4-speed right?

Don't clutter up other peoples threads with gibberish.

 

[dpmcghee]

Update on the progress so far...

OK, here's where we are so far....Right now Sean is working on at least three 700+hp turbo cars in his little shop. Pretty cool if you ask me. All three should run real good when done. You've seen the pictures of SS4Matt's car being worked on.

My car has put down just a tad over 700rwhp with 13degrees of total timing and 16lbs of boost. Torque is right at 600ftlbs... This is nearly what it did before with the pt76gts @ 21lbs of boost and 16degrees of timing.

So, we know that it is going to make more steam.

However, we are having a problem with the ignition. It is breaking up over 6000rpm's and we can see through the AEM box that the ignition is at its limit. As soon as we back the car down to about 13lbs of boost and its making about 650hp, the car will pull cleanly all the way to redline with no problem. Yes, it has fresh plugs gapped at .25 and the ignition stuff is almost brand new. Others have made these Ford ignitions go farther, I know. But for some reason, this is it for me.

So, we are switching it over to a GM "coil on plug" ignition. I thought about upgrading to the MSD digital 7, but that thing is really expensive and supposedly won't last on the street. I know guys do it, but I don't want to be replacing parts this summer again.

The AEM box that I have has the capability of running the GM coils. Plus, they now make a unit that goes in the place of the distributor (looks like a distributor without plug wires) that takes care of timing, so you don't have to run a crank trigger. I just bought a set of the really hot (as in spark-hot) GM truck coils. These coils will support enormous cylinder pressures and guys have made as much as 1900hp with them. Plus, they are designed to go 100k miles, so they ought to last.

What we plan to do is install the coils in the back of the engine bay on the lower part of the fire-wall, or down by the k-member out of sight. We will run the wires to the plugs from the back and bottom of the headers and plugs, which will work perfectly with the car being a turbo and the headers facing forward. This should be pretty cool. When you look at the front of the engine bay, you won't see any sparkplug wires at all... Should provide for some nice confusing looks at the local car shows

Once we get the change made, we'll fire it up again and let 'er fly and I'll let you know how it does.

Dan

 

[LTLHOMER]

OK, here's where we are so far....Right now Sean is working on at least three 700+hp turbo cars in his little shop. Pretty cool if you ask me. All three should run real good when done. You've seen the pictures of SS4Matt's car being worked on.

My car has put down just a tad over 700rwhp with 13degrees of total timing and 16lbs of boost. Torque is right at 600ftlbs... This is nearly what it did before with the pt76gts @ 21lbs of boost and 16degrees of timing.

So, we know that it is going to make more steam.

However, we are having a problem with the ignition. It is breaking up over 6000rpm's and we can see through the AEM box that the ignition is at its limit. As soon as we back the car down to about 13lbs of boost and its making about 650hp, the car will pull cleanly all the way to redline with no problem. Yes, it has fresh plugs gapped at .25 and the ignition stuff is almost brand new. Others have made these Ford ignitions go farther, I know. But for some reason, this is it for me.

So, we are switching it over to a GM "coil on plug" ignition. I thought about upgrading to the MSD digital 7, but that thing is really expensive and supposedly won't last on the street. I know guys do it, but I don't want to be replacing parts this summer again.

The AEM box that I have has the capability of running the GM coils. Plus, they now make a unit that goes in the place of the distributor (looks like a distributor without plug wires) that takes care of timing, so you don't have to run a crank trigger. I just bought a set of the really hot (as in spark-hot) GM truck coils. These coils will support enormous cylinder pressures and guys have made as much as 1900hp with them. Plus, they are designed to go 100k miles, so they ought to last.

What we plan to do is install the coils in the back of the engine bay on the lower part of the fire-wall, or down by the k-member out of sight. We will run the wires to the plugs from the back and bottom of the headers and plugs, which will work perfectly with the car being a turbo and the headers facing forward. This should be pretty cool. When you look at the front of the engine bay, you won't see any sparkplug wires at all... Should provide for some nice confusing looks at the local car shows

Once we get the change made, we'll fire it up again and let 'er fly and I'll let you know how it does.

Dan

Cool man that's how we ran the wires on my blue car and it was nice and easy to change from below. What PN are the coils you got? xxxx8693s are the ones you want.

 

[dpmcghee]

Cool man that's how we ran the wires on my blue car and it was nice and easy to change from below. What PN are the coils you got? xxxx8693s are the ones you want.

That's a good question. I don't know. You'll have to ask Sean. I know that he told me that after doing some research, he got the hottest ones that GM makes...the truck coils, I think.

 

[Detroit Style Dragger]

Dan, you will have to let me know when you are bringing it out to Woodward again. I need to see this set up!

 

[LTLHOMER]

That's a good question. I don't know. You'll have to ask Sean. I know that he told me that after doing some research, he got the hottest ones that GM makes...the truck coils, I think.

Hottest ones are probably the LS7s. The truck ones (8693s) have been used by w2w near 2k hp. The new truck ones have a little bit less bite but they are quicker. I'm sure you're fine either way. Even regular LS1 coils go 1000+ hp without any problems.

 

[dpmcghee]

Hottest ones are probably the LS7s. The truck ones (8693s) have been used by w2w near 2k hp. The new truck ones have a little bit less bite but they are quicker. I'm sure you're fine either way. Even regular LS1 coils go 1000+ hp without any problems.

Yeah, I've heard that about the LS1 coils. I know Sean could have gotten those pretty easily, but he really wanted the truck ones which he picked up locally. If they will go up to 2k, I should be just fine....for a while

Dan

 

[Sean124]

We are using the 19005218. I know the 8693's can make more current but its a fiarly minimal amount. Barely 2kv and 5mj. The interesting part to know is that the coils I am using on Dan's car charge alot faster and have a longer spark duration for a given amount of dwell upto about 8 msec. The other issue Is total Dwell alotment. We only have a 9.5 msec dwell time becuase the box is waste fire. At this point the 19005218 coils out perform the 8693's. If we can keep a mod motor lit at 23 psi of boost with junky stock ls1 coils we can keep a 347ci motor lit at 23psi with 3x as much coil.

I did alot of digging on this and this coil is the absolute best match for the application.


Here is a video about the coils and the testing.

[ame="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6218245369765754251&hl=en"]LS2_Yukon_ign_coil_test.wmv[/ame]

Cool man that's how we ran the wires on my blue car and it was nice and easy to change from below. What PN are the coils you got? xxxx8693s are the ones you want.

 

[LTLHOMER]

We are using the 19005218. I know the 8693's can make more current but its a fiarly minimal amount. Barely 2kv and 5mj. The interesting part to know is that the coils I am using on Dan's car charge alot faster and have a longer spark duration for a given amount of dwell upto about 8 msec. The other issue Is total Dwell alotment. We only have a 9.5 msec dwell time becuase the box is waste fire. At this point the 19005218 coils out perform the 8693's. If we can keep a mod motor lit at 23 psi of boost with junky stock ls1 coils we can keep a 347ci motor lit at 23psi with 3x as much coil.

I did alot of digging on this and this coil is the absolute best match for the application.

Where did you end up finding the specs on those? I pulled all the prints at work and the only ones with performance specs were the 8693s and the 0616s. I don't know if I looked for the 5218s but I know the 3190s and 8948s didn't have specs for some reason.

I'm sure you're fine either way.

What fuel were the dyno runs on? Are you going to try e85 Dan?

 

[Sean124]

Independant testing and a few industry insiders. All runs on 110 octane plug color is good. E85 is bit scary with blending siutation.

Where did you end up finding the specs on those? I pulled all the prints at work and the only ones with performance specs were the 8693s and the 0616s. I don't know if I looked for the 5218s but I know the 3190s and 8948s didn't have specs for some reason.

I'm sure you're fine either way.

What fuel were the dyno runs on? Are you going to try e85 Dan?