Covid.. your opinion....

DetroitStyle said:
If you lived on the coast and the government got word that there was a massive earthquake under the ocean... would want the President to go on TV and say it’s OK, everything’s going to be fine... and then be OK with thousands being killed by the tsunami that science said was coming? Would “well, I didn’t want people to panic” be an acceptable reason why he didn’t strongly suggest if not insist the public to take necessary precautions?


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If there was a Tsunami that could possibly kill 1% of the population, I wouldn't want a President telling everyone that we are all going to die and the entire world needs to go to higher ground...except of course the people that live right on the beach (like sticking the elderly in Covid infested nursing homes).
 
Im not sure how someone that spent decades riding a motorcycle knowing the odds of being killed were 30 times higher than if he drove a car, is terrified of a virus that has very low likelihood of killing you.
 
WhiteHawk said:
Masks aren't filters that are fine enough to catch the virus, so this statement is 100% bullshit. You should really ask the three million people that your population density math says live in the UP, though, they will set you straight!

-Geoff
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So, again... when you go in for open heart surgery... you’re cool with the surgeons and nurses not wearing masks. That’s your stance?


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Roadrage said:
If there was a Tsunami that could possibly kill 1% of the population, I wouldn't want a President telling everyone that we are all going to die and the entire world needs to go to higher ground...except of course the people that live right on the beach (like sticking the elderly in Covid infested nursing homes).
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Didn’t answer the question


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DetroitStyle said:
Didn’t answer the question


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I think I did. A Presidents job is to reassure the public, not cause panic in the public. If he was mobilizing rescue efforts while at the same time telling the public "It will all be fine", then yes, I would be fine with that.
 
Roadrage said:
Im not sure how someone that spent decades riding a motorcycle knowing the odds of being killed were 30 times higher than if he drove a car, is terrified of a virus that has very low likelihood of killing you.
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See, again with the rhetoric. The macho Trumpism mentality that playing it smart = being a scared pussy.

Yeah, I ride a motorcycle. That’s my choice and I know and accept the inherent risks that I bring upon MYSELF by doing so. I also wear proper gear at all times and I know that my decision to ride a motorcycle doesn’t increase the risk of anybody else on the road.

If not wearing a mask or not getting the shot only meant an increased risk to that particular person, your analogy would make sense. But that’s the problem. People are selfish as fuck and apparently don’t care that their non-masking, gathering in groups, etc increases the risk of Covid for every other person they come in contact with .


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Roadrage said:
I think I did. A Presidents job is to reassure the public, not cause panic in the public. If he was mobilizing rescue efforts while at the same time telling the public "It will all be fine", then yes, I would be fine with that.
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He could have mitigated panic by presenting people with the facts, encouraging safe behavior and also mobilizing.


I’ll give him credit for the mobilizing part. He got the vaccines and ventilators handled. He failed on the other aspects though.


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DetroitStyle said:
See, again with the rhetoric. The macho Trumpism mentality that playing it smart = being a scared pussy.

Yeah, I ride a motorcycle. That’s my choice and I the inherent risks that I bring upon MYSELF being doing so. I also wear proper gear at all times and I know that my decision to ride a motorcycle doesn’t increase the risk of anybody else on the road.

If not wearing a mask or not getting the shot only meant an increased risk to that particular person, your analogy would make sense. But that’s the problem. People are selfish as fuck and apparently don’t care that their non-masking, gathering in groups, etc increases the risk of Covid for every toy they come in contact with .


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Again, you chose to do something high risk every day because you enjoy it. Other people that want to continue living life are selfish. Everyone has the option to NOT be near anyone if they are fearful of Covid, in addition, there is no one telling other people they can not wear a mask or get the vaccine. If someone chooses to walk around mask-less and refusing the vaccine, the people that are choosing to "social distance" wear masks and get vaccinated have nothing to worry about do they?
 
Roadrage said:
Again, you chose to do something high risk every day because you enjoy it. Other people that want to continue living life are selfish. Everyone has the option to NOT be near anyone if they are fearful of Covid, in addition, there is no one telling other people they can not wear a mask or get the vaccine. If someone chooses to walk around mask-less and refusing the vaccine, the people that are choosing to "social distance" wear masks and get vaccinated have nothing to worry about do they?
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Things will be much better when everybody who wants a vaccine has one... but we are months away from that. It’s just a numbers thing. I’m not saying it has to be this way forever, but literally another 2-4 months of this... would save a lot of lives. It’s already getting better with the vaccine slowly being phased in. [emoji2371]


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For the record, I’ve had my first shot, second shot in 10 days... at that point, being fully vaccinated, I know MY risk for Covid related illness/death is very low. That having been said, even though I’m at low risk, I will continue to wear a mask for at least another few months so that I don’t potentially spread it to somebody who hasn’t had a chance to get their shot yet. That’s what responsible people do.

After that point, when I’m confident that all of those who want a vaccinate got a vaccine... I will stop wearing a mask. And people who don’t get vaccinated get sick that’s on them.



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DetroitStyle said:
He could have mitigated panic by presenting people with the facts, encouraging safe behavior and also mobilizing.


I’ll give him credit for the mobilizing part. He got the vaccines and ventilators handled. He failed on the other aspects though.


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Fact? Like wearing mask?
https://www.aaha.org/publications/newstat/articles/2020-03/cdc-an-about-face-on-face-masks/

The fact that you should sanitize every surface you might touch?
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200903/coronavirus-on-surfaces-whats-the-real-risk

So Trump restricted travel from China 11 days after the first case of Covid in the US. He banned travel from Europe a month later. He was on top of the vaccine and ventilators. What exactly did he do wrong, except of course the sin of saying everything will be ok?

BTW, about ventilators
https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/08/doctors-say-ventilators-overused-for-covid-19/
 
Roadrage said:
Fact? Like wearing mask?
https://www.aaha.org/publications/newstat/articles/2020-03/cdc-an-about-face-on-face-masks/

The fact that you should sanitize every surface you might touch?
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200903/coronavirus-on-surfaces-whats-the-real-risk

So Trump restricted travel from China 11 days after the first case of Covid in the US. He banned travel from Europe a month later. He was on top of the vaccine and ventilators. What exactly did he do wrong, except of course the sin of saying everything will be ok?

BTW, about ventilators
https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/08/doctors-say-ventilators-overused-for-covid-19/
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Those articles are a year old.

I’ll ask you the same question that WH and Golden have ignored.... if your going in for open heart surgery, are you OK with the doctors and nurses skipping out on wearing masks? Honestly... yes or no. Or if it was your parents going I. For a similar surgery... you don’t want them to wear a mask?


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I can also say, with a a fair amount of certainty, that if this pandemic happened in 2012 and 550,000 Americans died under Obama's watch... the same people defending Trump's response would absolutely be screaming bloody murder at Obama.

I don't believe you one bit if you say otherwise.
 
DetroitStyle said:
So, again... when you go in for open heart surgery... you’re cool with the surgeons and nurses not wearing masks. That’s your stance?


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If it was only to keep them from giving me Covid, then I would say fine. It is so much more than that, but I don't think you are smart enough to understand if you think open heart surgery and coughing are the same thing in terms of contamination. Did you ever ask the three million people that live in the UP? Because population density?

-Geoff
 
DetroitStyle said:
I can also say, with a a fair amount of certainty, that if this pandemic happened in 2012 and 550,000 Americans died under Obama's watch... the same people defending Trump's response would absolutely be screaming bloody murder at Obama.

I don't believe you one bit if you say otherwise.
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I think meatballs per capita divided by the number of fjords in Sweden makes about as much sense as your latest arguments in this thread relative to Covid. Almost as stupid is your population density argument.

-Geoff
 
DetroitStyle said:
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...l-hypotheses-journal-article-lacks-evidence-/

My thoughts are that this exactly the problem. It’s not “from Stanford”... it’s an unvetted hypothesis paper that has been widely debunked. But still gets spread around because a lot of right wingers are desperate to find anything that contradicts anything Democrats say.


I’ll ask you this. Say your mom/dad goes in for open heart surgery. You see the surgeon and nurses walking in to operate. They aren’t wearing any masks. You OK with that?

Yes or no.


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Let me be clear, I was not ignoring this question. I had not logged on since you asked it.

No I wouldn’t be happy. There is a massive difference between having your body opened up and being in an open parking lot and not wearing a mask. Let me ask you this, is it ok for a surgeon to wear a mask but not gloves or a bunny suit? Again, surgery, body being open etc.

So I ask what people thought of that article I posted, and because I even question whether masks are effective or not, it means I’m anti mask? I’ve never once been reminded to wear a mask during this pandemic (thanks to the Chinese Government for not warning the world ASAP) because I have been required to wear one at work since last March and stores require them. I understand a business sets policies and I respect them. If I don’t like it, I simply won’t shop there.
 
I’m guessing you think Dominion and Venezuela rigged the election and that the Capitol rioters were Antifa too, right? [emoji23]


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