Covid.. your opinion....

Sal, sorry to hear. That's terrible.

I think in the end, people like Whitmer - who claimed to believe science - need to start believing science. Science and math say that you get about the same results with or without a lockdown. Maybe that is why Whitmer isn't locking us down again, maybe she is admitting what the data has been telling us all along.

-Geoff
 
Or maybe she's been in "open it up" mode ever since Grandpa Joe got into the white house. No one else thinks it's pretty coincidental that she was in full lockdown, make-it-painful mode during Trumps term, and seems to have done a 180* about face since Biden has been in office.

but yea, I'm sure it's all about science and math.
 
wrath said:
The only reason we had to legislate is because people are stupid. If you pretend everyone is a zombie waiting to infect you and you self-isolated when you felt any semblance of being sick then this would not have been a problem. But humans are lazy, dirty, disgusting, and don't give a shit about anyone but themselves.
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Wow, not a very high opinion or whole lot of compassion for your brothers/sisters or the human race in general. Seems some think it is a good thing we have the spectacular government to watch over us and creating a nanny state, because no one is smart enough to think on their own. That is except for the politicians, of course...

Long live the king....

Just my .02....grr
 
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Wizeguy said:
What sucks is this stay at home order in the beginning got to me.. my sister was diagnosed with stage 4 colon cancer 2 years ago....
With the whole stay at home, no gatherings order, we didn't get to celebrate all last year our birthdays, 4th of July, Easter, thanksgiving, Christmas, typical Italian Sunday family dinners..All because the powers to be said "No gatherings now so next holiday you can spend it with your loved ones".......
Sadly my 54 year old sister died 2 weeks ago and never got to spend ANY of those last special days with her... I've never felt such burning anger in my life because we were told not to do something, you can do it next time... Well governor Whitmer, My family didn't get that fucken chance! Only time I said fuck you im not listening to your fucken antics is when I was holding my sisters hand for 2 days as she laid there dying!
Not how I wanted to "spend the next time with your family" type of deal!
Sorry I ranted on but soon as I can "peacefully" write a letter to the powers to be, I will let them know how I feel

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Sal, I am so very, very sorry for your and the family's great loss of your beautiful sister.

15 years ago we lost my brother Adam to colon cancer, he was 44.
I took these photos of him 2 months before he died.

As bad as his last 11 months of life were, we didn't have to deal with
all this COVID crap, frankly, it would have drove me crazy & possibly
over the edge. My heart goes out to you & your family!




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Detroit Gearbox said:
That Dr from John Hopkins said they believed that half of the US population already has had it and with most the population getting vaccinations he expected it to disappear.
Weird Mich being one of the most lock down states and yet the highest rate of active cases.
Also reading today the Fed's have offered Michigan a increase in vaccines and they have yet to take them. Seems they are struggling with distributions and leaving available batches going unclaimed.
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Check out this article from The Detroit News:

Whitmer to keep pressing White House for more vaccines

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...ressing-white-house-more-vaccines/7181219002/ Seems like Michigan is asking and not receiving the extra doses they need.
 
4Gas$ said:
Sal, I am so very, very sorry for your and the family's great loss of your beautiful sister.

15 years ago we lost my brother Adam to colon cancer, he was 44.
I took these photos of him 2 months before he died.

As bad as his last 11 months of life were, we didn't have to deal with
all this COVID crap, frankly, it would have drove me crazy & possibly
over the edge. My heart goes out to you & your family!




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Wow so young! So sorry!
 
WhiteHawk said:
Why did Whitmer let it get so bad?
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Because there was such a hatred of Trump, their blinders prevented them for looking at the real science. As soon as he mentioned 'herd immunity', those words were immediately banned. The states which were completely locked down were doing worse than the ones which weren't. BUT, because the states which weren't completely locked down were primarily Republican states and/or Trump supporter states, they wanted nothing to do with what rules those states were doing.

States like Michigan and New York still want that almighty power to do whatever they wanted to and to make sure the minions like you and I knew it, too. They continued to put Covid positive patients within senior facilities and to not only continue to lie about it, they also lied about the death counts. They are still denying about the death counts.

The bottom line is because of their short sightedness, it is coming around to bite them in the fannies. They still don't believe it is their fault, but most reasonable people know it is their fault. They want to try the same crap over and over, but until they try something different, you will end up with the same result and the losses will continue to grow....

I think Einstein said “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

I am pretty sure our governor is falling into this category.

Just my .02....grr
 
grr456 said:
Because there was such a hatred of Trump, their blinders prevented them for looking at the real science. As soon as he mentioned 'herd immunity', those words were immediately banned. The states which were completely locked down were doing worse than the ones which weren't. BUT, because the states which weren't completely locked down were primarily Republican states and/or Trump supporter states, they wanted nothing to do with what rules those states were doing.

different, you will end up with the same result and the losses will continue to grow....

Just my .02....grr
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Ask Sweden how “Herd Immunity” worked out for them. Population of 10 million.... 13,000 deaths. Meanwhile, Denmark, Norway, and Finland with a combined population of 16 million, all locked down... and have around 4,500 deaths combined.

So it’s clear, those three countries combined have a population 50% higher than Sweden and yet ended up with 1/3 of the deaths. But, you know, there’s no science or numbers in that... right?

This is a fantastic model study as travel was restricted and you didn’t get issues with people crossing state lines like here in the US to cross-contaminate the citizens.

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Mike, similar populations between Michigan and Sweden. Michigan sitting at 16,500 deaths, Sweden at 13,000 with no lockdown. Seems like Sweden did better than Michigan with no lockdown.

Why aren't we locked down right now? Tons of people dying, cases spiking? Why not lock us down again if it works so well?

-Geoff
 
Wizeguy said:
What sucks is this stay at home order in the beginning got to me.. my sister was diagnosed with stage 4 colon cancer 2 years ago....
With the whole stay at home, no gatherings order, we didn't get to celebrate all last year our birthdays, 4th of July, Easter, thanksgiving, Christmas, typical Italian Sunday family dinners..All because the powers to be said "No gatherings now so next holiday you can spend it with your loved ones".......
Sadly my 54 year old sister died 2 weeks ago and never got to spend ANY of those last special days with her... I've never felt such burning anger in my life because we were told not to do something, you can do it next time... Well governor Whitmer, My family didn't get that fucken chance! Only time I said fuck you im not listening to your fucken antics is when I was holding my sisters hand for 2 days as she laid there dying!
Not how I wanted to "spend the next time with your family" type of deal!
Sorry I ranted on but soon as I can "peacefully" write a letter to the powers to be, I will let them know how I feel
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Sal, I'm so sorry for your loss. Its not right to have that time robbed from you.
 
The herd immunity is effective. When I was a kid, chicken pox, measels and mumps were a reality, until they created an effective vaccine. When someone in your family, or a friends family got one of those diseases, everyone in the family got them and it was Okay, if one of your friends came over and got it. Once you got it you would then become immune to future attacks.

While no one really knew if herd immunity would be effective against Covid, some wanted to try to see if it would work. Once Trump literally uttered the words 'Herd Immunity' it was totally banned. No one was allowed to bring it up because it was called Junk Science. So, the country wasn't even allowed to try until 9 months after some saw the lockdowns weren't really working.

You can say what you want, but places like Florida, which is more like Michigan than the Netherlands is, has a much better track record than Michigan. That is even though there are more seniors living in Florida than Michigan. Both Florida and Georgia relaxed their mask and lockdown mandates several months ago. If you remember, the Left was saying it would be a death sentence to all living there. This has been proven wrong, of course.

Lets not forget the Democrats and the left are continuing to allow the unvaccinated and diseased illegals to enter our country. Once they are here, they are being bussed to states who are allowing them in, like Michigan is. Diseases which were totally eliminated within the US, like the black plague and polio, are making a comeback in a big way. in places like California. This is due to the unvaccinated illegals.

So, while states without the restrictive rules of Michigan, California and New York continue to do better, and because the lock down rules work so well, they are extending them for another SIX months. But, Whitmer has again agreed to take on illegals who have crossed the border without paperwork. These people are free to roam the state, while people who need to work for a living are restricted.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...ules-extended-six-months-governor/7188888002/

While Michigan is taking these un-vaccinated illegals, at least some states like Iowa is refusing to take them...

https://www.dailywire.com/news/not-...PQ_KzjgX_xRUFLVoGTyQsdfA&utm_source=housefile
 
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WhiteHawk said:
Why aren't we locked down right now? Tons of people dying, cases spiking? Why not lock us down again if it works so well?
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Short answer: Detroit Tax Revenue.......a major problem caused by the lockdown was detroit suffered a major shortage of tax money from suburbanites who normally worked in office buildings downtown. City of detroit couldn't tax them if they weren't working within city limits
 
paul09 said:
Short answer: Detroit Tax Revenue.......a major problem caused by the lockdown was detroit suffered a major shortage of tax money from suburbanites who normally worked in office buildings downtown. City of detroit couldn't tax them if they weren't working within city limits
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Casino taxes were the bulk of the cash
 
WhiteHawk said:
Why aren't we locked down right now? Tons of people dying, cases spiking? Why not lock us down again if it works so well?

-Geoff
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I have a bad feeling another one is coming. She’s setting it up by “urging us”, next it’ll will be you didn’t listen so Imma gonna have to shut you down.
 
nitrousrick said:
I have a bad feeling another one is coming. She’s setting it up by “urging us”, next it’ll will be you didn’t listen so Imma gonna have to shut you down.
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CDC is pushing for it , i figure friday schools will be closed for 3-4 weeks thats pretty much the rest of the year
 
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