Converting from well/septic to city water and sewage questions

[jsxtreme]

It's water.

So he could keep his well right now (and even do maintenance or replace the pump), but down the road if/when the well goes bad, he would not be able to drill a new well.

--Joe

This is false, at least in Farmington Hills. Our agreement isn't finalized yet, but when the city brings municple water in, the residents in my sub division will have the option to: keep their well, tap into the main, tap into the main in the future if they wish, or have new wells drilled in the future if they wish.

 

[jsxtreme]

Also, where did you take your water to be tested? I'd rather be safe than sorry.

I would contact the Oakland County WRC commission. They have been testing all of our water through the DEQ. Tell them you're concerned about the Middlebelt dewatering impact on your aquifer and want testing.

 

[jsxtreme]

Here's my current water source, and my condemned well thanks to Oakland County WRC!

 

[4Gas$]

This is false, at least in Farmington Hills. Our agreement isn't finalized yet, but when the city brings municple water in, the residents in my sub division will have the option to: keep their well, tap into the main, tap into the main in the future if they wish, or have new wells drilled in the future if they wish.

It sounds like your situation is a rare & unique one.
Soap & I are talking about normal state law.

 

[4Gas$]

Here's my current water source, and my condemned well thanks to Oakland County WRC!

That is a nightmare of a mess - you've got my sympathy!

 

[Detroit Gearbox]

A few thoughts;

- The cost of hooking up to municipal water & sewer varies greatly.

- There can (and usually are) connection fees such as “Trunk & Transmission”, “Special Assessment” etc.

You need to not only check with the city water department, but also with the city (Clerk’s & Treasures offices)
to understand all the costs involved with this.

- In the State of Michigan, I can’t remember if its municipal water or sewer, but if its available at your property,
you must connect! In other words, you would not be able to get a permit for a replacement well or septic.

Taps fees are outrageous.
You are required by state law to vacate your septic if the pipe is within so many feet.... (I forget.. 600' maybe.)
My advise is keep & fix what you have.
Anytime you involve the city or county it becomes a cluster fuck. (DEQ even worse)
If your able to fix the problems yourself or with a "Weekend Contractor" and hide any repairs to your well or Septic field by all means do not involve anyone from your city. (Too Late for this?)

 

[jsxtreme]

It sounds like your situation is a rare & unique one.
Soap & I are talking about normal state law.

I can show you the standard sample agreement for the city of Farmington Hills that shows this. Have you read the Consent to Agreement for Connection to a Water main in the City of Farmington Hills? Have you reviewed it with a lawyer recently?

One of us has.


The only thing that is going to be a special exception is a 420' temporary line we are getting. The city made an exception for that, that is a longer run than they typically allow and will have to increase the diameter to a 2" line because of it.

 

[beertestr]

You can't have both.

--Joe

Sure you can. I have well, and sewer.

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[beertestr]

Shit be happy yours is calculated like that! We have(had) the same deal, well with city sewer.

But our entire subs sewer flows through one meter then all the houses split the cost evenly. Some houses in our sub have been turned into 5k sqft group homes with 10-15 people in them. My house has 3.

Homes that have gotten hooked up to muni water in my sub have seen their water bills go down after getting muni water.

Wow, different calculation method. Same issue though, the cost is not calculated based on the amount of crap- makers, just the amount of total crappers and averaged.

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[4Gas$]

I can show you the standard sample agreement for the city of Farmington Hills that shows this. Have you read the Consent to Agreement for Connection to a Water main in the City of Farmington Hills? Have you reviewed it with a lawyer recently?

One of us has.

The only thing that is going to be a special exception is a 420' temporary line we are getting. The city made an exception for that, that is a longer run than they typically allow and will have to increase the diameter to a 2" line because of it.

I think you’re misunderstanding me. I stated these things are generally,
I made it quite clear, not always, not everywhere and for the OP to check
with his local municipality.

 

[Siegel1719]

I would love if we get the house to keep the well and septic system. Just upgrade to a great softener/filtration system. I was told however that if either fail the city will not issue permits to repair the septic system or to drill a new well. Is this true?

Thanks
Jeremy

 

[beertestr]

I would love if we get the house to keep the well and septic system. Just upgrade to a great softener/filtration system. I was told however that if either fail the city will not issue permits to repair the septic system or to drill a new well. Is this true?

Thanks
Jeremy

Can't comment on septic (no experience), but my neighbor had a new well drilled last year.

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[mikesfastss]

I would love if we get the house to keep the well and septic system. Just upgrade to a great softener/filtration system. I was told however that if either fail the city will not issue permits to repair the septic system or to drill a new well. Is this true?

Thanks
Jeremy

saturday works good for this

 

[WhiteHawk]

I know they wont allow me to do the actual connections. I was just hoping to be able to dig the trench up to XXX number of feet of the mains and lay the pipe. Then pay a licensed plumber or the water dept to do the actual connections to the mains.

Just for reference, you don't need to dig a trench. The plumbers will drill a hole from your basement to a hole at the road. A friend of mine in Grosse Pointe Park just had this done. It cost $3000 and they didn't dig a trench in his lawn. And because the shit here is old, they soldered his line to the lead water main.

-Geoff

 

[soap]

Just for reference, you don't need to dig a trench. The plumbers will drill a hole from your basement to a hole at the road.

-Geoff

Directional bore

--Joe

 

[Detroit Gearbox]

I would love if we get the house to keep the well and septic system. Just upgrade to a great softener/filtration system. I was told however that if either fail the city will not issue permits to repair the septic system or to drill a new well. Is this true?

Thanks
Jeremy

I do and this is true. Oakland county and the state has laws pertaining to failed septic's. Do not involve the city or county if you can avoid it. Do not test it during a rainy season/period. I had lots legal issues over it that spanned over about 4-5 years. I could write a book on it. People at the city/inspectors at every level were douchebags. I learned a lot about the whole process and the law. I vacated my tank trenched it and connected mine with the help of a neighbor (that was superman to me). Total waste of time and money... my field would have lasted another 25+ years. I cannot stress enough... do not involve the city/county if you can avoid it.

 

[Siegel1719]

Well no more worries. Just checked the house out and the amount of work it needs was more then the house would be worth at their asking price. Also the well was severely undersized the tub ran out of water after about 5 mins and didn't have much flow even from the beginning.