2013 Camaro SS 1LE

I'm waiting for a third party to test the car. Lately GM has put out some hero cars and the public can't come close. C&D will probably have them for the Lightning Lap test later this year, which should be a good test against the current Mustang lineup.
 
Did you watch the Mark Stielow video in the "Hot Rod takes ZL1 around Gingerman" thread? See 4:45. Seems like other people are doing pretty good putting down decent times. :lol:
 
Overboost said:
ZL1 and 1LE are two very different cars.
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What does "GM putting out hero cars that nobody can touch" have to do with ZL1's vs 1LE's? Ringer cars come in all shapes and sizes.
pferd said:
A lot of that was on the driver, I think. Mustang driver seemed a lot less smooth...I counted at least 4 times when he was bouncing it off the rev limiter, plus turn 11 looked rough.
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I figured the Ford engi's knew how to get their own car around VIR. You saying that's a bad assumption? The first time I watched that vid, I reacted the same way about the limiter. But when you think about the long gears and the time to up shift and then downshift, sometimes kissing the limiter for a split second is a faster way around a track.
 
SSpdDmon said:
What does "GM putting out hero cars that nobody can touch" have to do with ZL1's vs 1LE's? Ringer cars come in all shapes and sizes. I figured the Ford engi's knew how to get their own car around VIR. You saying that's a bad assumption? The first time I watched that vid, I reacted the same way about the limiter. But when you think about the long gears and the time to up shift and then downshift, sometimes kissing the limiter for a split second is a faster way around a track.
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Simple. GM puts out a car in press that has fantastic numbers, then magazines and owners can't seem to come remotely close. The ZL1's drag time reported by GM comes to mind, then this lap time. You supply a video of a ZL1 around Gingerman that doesn't relate to the topic much.

Physics would suggest that a heavier car with less power, but a larger contact patch, shouldn't go around the track significantly faster than a lighter, more powerful car. Before you pull the "ZL1 vs. Shelby" agreement, the ace in the hole I'd the MR suspension and PTM.
 
I love the he hit the rev limiter and what not arguements, they were always made in the videos of things at the Ring as well. I'm sure they took the car to the track with a camera, ran one lap, and went home to put the video on the internet. If it wasn't a good lap, they wouldn't put it up.

The cars GM ran at the drag strip to run the 11's really were stock cars. I'm sure the track prep was ridiculous and the drivers used have made more passes in 5th gen Camaros than you can shake a stick at, literally several hundred for every driveline configuration that has been released.
 
Why are we comparing a 2013 Camaro vs a 2011 Shelby Mustang? Shouldn't the 1LE Camar be compared to 2013 the Boss 302 LS? Same day, same driver?
 
We should be comparing a 1LE to a track pack Mustang GT. Comparable cars at comparable prices that were designed to compete with each other.
 
The one thing I noticed from both vids is this.
Mustang: To much skid on turns even at low speed, no throttle or brake. Way to much skid at high speeds almost on the verge of a heavy push into the dirt. The mustang had a very low average speed in the turns. Almost 15-20mph in the turns difference. Great power to make up the pit falls, but i wouldn't recommend this thing for course work unles syou upgraded the suspension and added course tires.

Camaro: Very little skid coming into and out of turns. Was able to maintain a good speed going through the turns. Had smooth power through the entire field. But has no real bite to move the vehicle coming out of the turn or on the straight away.

I am more impressed by the mustangs ability to be within a few seconds of the camaro based on the speed gap in the turns than I am with the defeat by the camaro to the mustang. I would on the other hand prefer driving the camaro over the mustang due to the handling differences. Just my 2 cents.
 
I was curious how speeds compared based on the above post.
Turn 1. GT500 43, 1LE 46
The cars seem to enter the next turn flat and then have to brake for decreasing radius, 62 MPH for both.
90 degree left hander Mustang 45, Camaro 42
essess into left hander, pretty similar looking until the exit of the left hander when the GT500 puts the right wheels off and drops a little speed
Oak tree looked fine for both cars Mustang 35, Camaro 42
Long straight into right hand hair pin Mustang top speed 136, brakes down to 40, Camaro top speed 131, drops down to 38

I'm not going to keep going, I don't feel like I'm watching the same two videos as Zarken though. Corner speeds are comparable, sometimes even higher for the Mustang.
 
4 cam tbird said:
I was curious how speeds compared based on the above post.
Turn 1. GT500 43, 1LE 46
The cars seem to enter the next turn flat and then have to brake for decreasing radius, 62 MPH for both.
90 degree left hander Mustang 45, Camaro 42
essess into left hander, pretty similar looking until the exit of the left hander when the GT500 puts the right wheels off and drops a little speed
Oak tree looked fine for both cars Mustang 35, Camaro 42
Long straight into right hand hair pin Mustang top speed 136, brakes down to 40, Camaro top speed 131, drops down to 38

I'm not going to keep going, I don't feel like I'm watching the same two videos as Zarken though. Corner speeds are comparable, sometimes even higher for the Mustang.
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I will rewatch them both. but based on top speed (GT 500 favor) and lowest speed (GT500 still better than 1LE) the camaro should not have beat the GT500 unless the gt500 remained at lower speed longer than the camaro. And based on the GT500's better acceleration, it would have to be at the lower speeds much longer.

I watched them again and I think my evalutaion is still good. The mustang scrubs way to much speed in the turns even though it is much faster in the straights and the slalom sections.

The 1:20 mark for both videos maybe a few seconds before is a good point of reference as comparison.The camaro was 65 into the turn, 42 at the low and 55 out. The mustang was 75 into the turn (skidding hard) 35 on the low and 39 out. For me this 39 MPH to 55 MPH comparison is where I get my 15-20 values. But inthe mustangs defense, at the driveway into the barn after that turn, the mustang was at 84.2 mph and the camaro at 80 mph. So you can see the acceleration differences in the cars just by that alone. Even with a 16mph jump on the mustang, the mustang was pulling away quicker than shit in a very short distance.
 
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