Weird 4L65-e problem on launch----HELP!!!

slowfive0

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Ok, put a built transmission in my truck that was proven and a new converter and on the launch, it acts like you threw it in neutral. Makes a nasty bang noise (like I dropped the d/s out of the truck) and hits the rev limiter. No tire spin either. I let off and the truck drives normal. The only time it will do this is on a hard launch from a stop or very slow roll. Any other time it is fine. Initially, I thought the converter was bad, but it was just ckd out and is fine. My next suspect was the low/reverse clutch or maybe the forward sprag....but they both look pretty good. In fact better than my old trans (3/4 clutch went out in that). The trans is full and the filter was in place. Thoughts????? I'll be putting it back together this weekend and I'm not comfortable not having found something concrete.....
 
Converter will not give you those symptoms. Before you pulled it you should have attached a gauge to see if it was caused from low line pressure.
2 wl drive or 4x4?
From a dead stop, the low roller fwd sprag & fwd clutch are the only thing applied or holding. If it goes away in manual low, that would indicate a bad low roller-how ever pressure is boosted in 1-2, so it could also be low line.
Inspect both the fwd sprag and low roller for any wear. I always replace them regardless if they look bad or not. Change the molded pistons in the drum, and inspect the input rings and inside of the stator support for wear/slop/damage.
When you get done and reinstall it, attach a gauge and monitor line before you drive it
Hope that helps.
 
Yes, I wish I could have ckd pressures, but it broke before I could do that. More to the story so I'll explain. Trans was in a 11 second truck (5500lbs) and was holding up. The guy had 1000 miles on it since it was freshened (broke a converter hub), but was selling it to go to a 4L80e along with the twin turbos on his new combo.

Both of our trucks are AWD and supercharged. His was a vortech and mine is a magnacharger. WHen I got it together and had this symptom, I didn't have time to do much with it (1 day). Driving home the next day and I stepped on it to get around a toolbag and it jumped out again and then would barely move. Felt like it was taking off in 3rd or something with no torque multiplication and would rev way up.

NOTE: My converter was supposed to stall at 2600-2800, but before it broke I brake torqued it and it would go to 3800!!!! That is why I was wondering about the converter. Never felt like it multiplied torque very well (soggy) considering the stall and it was wayyyyyy off from where he said it would be. He just cut it apart today and said it was perfect. He has the same converter behind a 900 hp turbo combo and it only stalls to 4,000 and of course it is holding up fine behind that combo.

I pulled the trans apart and basically it blew the snap ring out of the forward clutch and 3/4 clutch! I knew the pressure was too high---the trans shop that built it recommended stock settings in my tune, but I used the guys tune since it seemed to be working so well and he had the pressures jacked up a little for the pump, shifts, etc. Plus the trans shop have the pressure solenoid pressure turned up a little as well to hold up to the 800hp he was making. I think the combination of my lockup converter (triple disc) SLAMMING during lockup due to the too high pressures and no pulsewidth modulation (trans shop disabled it in the valvebody) and whatever was giving in the trans that was causing it to slam was what broke the lugs out of the input drum.

Both sprags show wear, but actually look better than my original ones in my old trans (it took out the 3/4 clutch). Certainly no signs of skipping like I was expecting. I'm wondering about a forward clutch problem --- maybe the piston over extending or leaking under the boosted pressure????

Thanks for the help.

Converter will not give you those symptoms. Before you pulled it you should have attached a gauge to see if it was caused from low line pressure.
2 wl drive or 4x4?
From a dead stop, the low roller fwd sprag & fwd clutch are the only thing applied or holding. If it goes away in manual low, that would indicate a bad low roller-how ever pressure is boosted in 1-2, so it could also be low line.
Inspect both the fwd sprag and low roller for any wear. I always replace them regardless if they look bad or not. Change the molded pistons in the drum, and inspect the input rings and inside of the stator support for wear/slop/damage.
When you get done and reinstall it, attach a gauge and monitor line before you drive it
Hope that helps.
 
I'm not sure of the year of your truck but 65's came in the newer stuff so it might be the stall of the converter causing the pcm to put the trans if failsafe/limp mode.

I have run into this in higher stall Camaro's and GM's where the higher stall converter makes the pcm think something is wrong with either the transmission or the Converter.

I would look into the programming side of this issue. In most GM's there is a table for RPM vs Veh speed vs gear and if rpm is higher than normal the pcm freaks out.

Good luck.
 
I'm not sure of the year of your truck but 65's came in the newer stuff so it might be the stall of the converter causing the pcm to put the trans if failsafe/limp mode.

I have run into this in higher stall Camaro's and GM's where the higher stall converter makes the pcm think something is wrong with either the transmission or the Converter.

I would look into the programming side of this issue. In most GM's there is a table for RPM vs Veh speed vs gear and if rpm is higher than normal the pcm freaks out.

Good luck.


you can also disable the selenoid performance codes for selenoid A and selenoid B and it will stop that behavior. To me it sounds like the issue may be sealing rings on the input drum somewhere. Especially the rev and bump into gear.
 
Thanks guys for the suggestions. Ended up finding a tear in the forward clutch piston seal. Trans is back together. Laters....
 
sweet, get the exhaust back on yet? we should just find some small bullets to put in front of the sport muffler...my sport is just sitting. I think TBSS have a factory resignator????
 
Trans feels great, same exhaust for now. I was going to put the long tubes on this last go around, but it would have been to much of a pia at that point. Will do it in the near future. Still up in the air on the exhaust. I don't want to cut into the Corsa as those are worth good money used. Plus, I would prefer true duals at some point. Decisions, decisions.......probably leave it alone for now and concentrate on getting my mustang out to bust 2hi's ass! ;-)


sweet, get the exhaust back on yet? we should just find some small bullets to put in front of the sport muffler...my sport is just sitting. I think TBSS have a factory resignator????
 
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