This is why you shoot the intruder and THEN call the police

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PHOENIX (CN) - A homeowner says a Phoenix police officer shot him six times in the back during a 911 home-invasion call, and the 911 tape recorded the officer's partner saying, "That's all right. Don't worry about it. I got your back. ... We clear?" The family says the officers were not aware that the 911 call was still recording as they spoke about covering up the shooting.

In their complaint in Maricopa County Court, Anthony and Lesley Arambula say an armed intruder "crashed through the front window" of their home on Sept. 17, 2008 and ran into one of their son's bedrooms.

Anthony, worried about his son who was still in his bedroom, says he "held the intruder calmly at gunpoint" and called 911.

Phoenix Police officers already in the neighborhood heard the crash of the Arambulas' window. When they approached the house, Lesley says, she told Sgt. Sean Coutts that her husband was inside holding the intruder at gunpoint. Lesley says Coutts failed to pass on that information to the two other officers.

Inside the house, the Arambulas say, Officer Brian Lilly shot Anthony six times in the back while he was still on the phone with the 911 operator - twice when he was on the ground.

The officers ran into the bedroom after Anthony told them, "You just killed ... you just killed the homeowner. The bad guy is in there."

The complaint states that Officer Lilly "admitted that it was only after Tony was laying, bullet-ridden, on the ground that he assessed the situation. The 911 tape continued to record what happened even after Officer Lilly unloaded his weapon into Tony, including Officer Lilly's post-shooting, one-word 'assessment': 'Fuck.'

"Tony believed he was going to die; the 911 tape records his plaintive goodbye to his family: '... I love you ... I love you.' Then Tony made what he believed was a dying request to the officers; he did not want his young family to see him shot and bloodied. Officers callously ignored his request and painfully dragged Tony by his injured leg, through the home and out to his backyard patio, where they left him bloodied and shot right in front of Lesley, Matthew and Zachary."

The Arambulas say the officers later dragged Anthony onto gravel, then put him on top of the hot hood of a squad car, and "drove the squad car down the street with Tony lying on top, writing in pain."

According to the complaint, Lilly can be heard on the 911 tape telling Coutts, "We fucked up."

Lilly says on the tape that he did not know where Anthony's gun was when he shot him and that he "opened fire because he heard loud noises and saw someone who looked like he might be the 'Hispanic' male they were pursuing" before getting to the Arambulas' house, according to the complaint.

The complaint states: "Sgt. Coutts knew that officers has just shot up and likely killed an innocent homeowner and the husband of Lesley, with whom he had spoken before entering the home, instead of the armed intruder. Sgt. Coutts was quick to commence the cover-up of their terrible mistake. Sgt. Coutts asked Office Lilly where Tony's gun was at the time Officer Lilly had opened fire on Tony. Officer Lilly admitted that he did not know where Tony's gun was: 'I don't know. I heard screaming and I fired.'"

Lilly later told a police internal affairs investigator that Anthony had pointed his gun in his direction, "in the 'ready' position," the complaint states. But Anthony Arambula says he was facing away from the officers, who could not have even seen his gun.

The complaint continues: "Still not knowing that he is being recorded n the 911 tape, Sgt. Coutts interrupted Officer Lilly's admission and apology with his assurance that the cover-up would commence: 'That's all right. Don't worry about it. I got your back. ... We clear?'"

After the shooting, the Arambulas say, the Phoenix Police Department treated them "like suspects in a drug bust," denying Lesley, Michael and Zachary information about Anthony's condition and denying friends and family members access to him at the hospital.

Anthony Arambula survived, but continues to suffer pain, which he expects will last for the rest of his life.

The City of Phoenix and Officer Dzenan Ahmetovic also are named as defendants.
The Arambulas seek punitive damages for gross negligence, civil rights violations, failure to supervise, excessive force, deliberate indifference to medical needs, false arrest, and emotional distress. They are represented by Michael Manning with son Morrison Hecker.
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CLIFF NOTES: Gunman breaks into home. Homeowner grabs gun, holds gunman down while his wife calls the cops and TELLS THEM that her husband is inside with a gun and has the intruder covered. Cops bust in and shoot the homeowner anyway. Cops realize mistake and talk about how to cover up their mistake while 911 is still listening. Cops LIE in testimony claiming homeowner was pointing the gun at them. Impossible considering he was facing away from the door, gun pointed at the intruder, and the cop shot him 6 times IN THE BACK.
 
BUT WAIT! It gets better. Cops get CLEARED in the shooting...

Panel clears policeman in accidental shooting
Homeowner hurt in hunt for intruder files suit
by Michael Ferraresi - Sept. 26, 2009 12:00 AM
The Arizona Republic .
A Phoenix police officer who mistakenly shot an armed homeowner during a search for an intruder was cleared of wrongdoing this week by a committee that reviews such shootings.

The ruling by the Phoenix Use of Force Board determined Officer Brian Lilly acted within police policy in the incident, in which he fired six shots at the homeowner amid the confusion of a home invasion last September.

The shooting hospitalized homeowner Tony Arambula, who earlier this year sought a $5.75 million settlement in the case.
Lilly and Phoenix Sgt. Sean Coutts were named in a lawsuit filed last week in Maricopa County Superior Court.

Arambula, 36, was armed and holding a suspect at bay when he suffered gunshot wounds to his back and arm, according to the complaint.

Arambula claimed Lilly shot him twice as he lay bleeding on the floor of his living room, his wife and two young sons nearby.

The suspect, Angel Anastacio Canales, had broken into Arambula's home near 32nd Street and Thomas Road as officers tracked him from a "shots-fired" call in the area.

Arambula had the gunman cornered in his 12-year-old son's room when the officer opened fire.

"This is the type of thing that so severely demeans the credibility of these (police) review boards," said Michael Manning, the attorney representing Arambula.

"Physically, it would have been impossible for (Lilly) to see Tony's face or the gun," he said. "They admit on the 911 call that they didn't warn him."

Officer Jerry Gannon, Lilly's representative from the Phoenix Law Enforcement Association, said it took less than one minute from when officers entered the home searching for a Hispanic male suspect to the when Lilly reacted to seeing Arambula holding a gun.

Gannon and other members of the organization's board said the shooting was difficult to avoid, considering the fluidity of the emergency scene.

"If Brian would have known there was a homeowner in there, he probably would have hesitated," Gannon said, "but if he had hesitated, and it was the (suspect), the outcome could have been tragic."

Phoenix Public Safety Manager Jack Harris will review the Use of Force Board's ruling and make an official determination on Lilly's shooting.
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89vettefromhell said:
wow FUCKED UP.. id have turned on my dying body and shot the cop
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It begs the question... what exactly do you have to do as a cop to have been found negligent... shoot the wife and kids too?

I mean... the homeowner did everything that the police would have told you to do.

Protect your family, call the cops, tell them what's going on, cover the intruder, etc...

and these cops don't share info, shoot the wrong guy 6 times in the back, on tape admit that they fucked up, try to cover it up, lie to investigators, etc... and he gets cleared of all wrongdoing? Really makes you trust police, right?
 
OMG... what is this place we call the US coming too? This takes the quote "Good 'ol boys club" to a whole new level.

I hope that cop, his superiors, and that entire panel ROT IN HELL, and die very painful miserable deaths. One bullet to the back is one thing, 6 bullets to the back and then another 2 when you are down is sicking. I dont care if he was the "Bad guy" or not. That is just sick.
 
DetroitStyle said:
It begs the question... what exactly do you have to do as a cop to have been found negligent... shoot the wife and kids too?

I mean... the homeowner did everything that the police would have told you to do.

Protect your family, call the cops, tell them what's going on, cover the intruder, etc...

and these cops don't share info, shoot the wrong guy 6 times in the back, on tape admit that they fucked up, try to cover it up, lie to investigators, etc... and he gets cleared of all wrongdoing? Really makes you trust police, right?
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sometimes cops are just so neglectful that it almost kills me... or other people that are protecting their families

cops never follow real protocol hardly ever or else you wouldn't see shit like this happen

guess they must have all been white.. cause if it was a racial thing that guy wouldn't have ever seen a badge or probably anything higher than minimum wage job ever again
 
What bothers me is the force that cops take on suspects and in this case, the homeowner. I understand that the cop made a mistake. That still does not make it right though. The question I have is, Why did the cop make this mistake? Is it because he has never been in a situation like that before and his body was flowing with adrienaline?

That makes me wonder about the cops in my area. I know a lot of them personally and I do believe they are legit guys who are honest for the most part. But with that being said, I live in a very good area. Not a lot happens around here. What if I had a burglar at gunpoint in my house and the cops came to arrest him. Would they shoot me because I had a gun in my hand? In my town, I bet 90% of the force has never been in a stressful situation like this. I dont care what you do for a living. In super stressful situations human nature tends to get emotional. Hearing stories like this makes me wonder...kill the intruder and deal with it later in court, or take the chance of getting shot myself by the protectors?

Tough situation to deal with. In all reality, I never ever want to have to kill anyone. Maybe if it comes down to it, I'll be the one getting shot in the back when the Police barge into my house after I call them for help.
 
Id have shot him and just called 911 and told them send a Coroner to come pick up the body on the lawn...
 
robvas said:
Holding people at gunpoint is for the movies.
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That is true, but I've never been in a situation like this. I dont know what I would do if I had a gun pointed at an intruder. Yeah..I dont want anyone in my family to be hurt or killed, but since I've never been there, I dont know if I could pull the trigger or not. In my head I can kill an intruder no problem. But in reality, it might not be the case.
 
I had to explain this to my wife. Kill the fuckers at the door don't waste your time. They are not there to be nice to you! Or be your friend...
 
This is fucked up, so fucked up. Put in that mans position I'd have a hard time not seeking out those two officers with vigilanty reasoning on my mind and making all even.
 
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