State may extend bar hours

WickedJest00

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Vaughn Derderian has heard it often: "Please, it's 11:45, can't you just give me one?"

Under Michigan law, the owner of the Anchor Bar in downtown Detroit can't serve Lions fans a beer or any other booze before noon on Sundays.


But that could change.


Trying to find revenue to offset deep cuts to popular programs, the Legislature may vote to allow serving Sunday drinkers before noon if the bars pay a $1,500-a-year fee. Retailers with licenses could sell before noon, too, if they paid the fee.



The legislation also would permit bars to serve alcohol until 4 a.m. -- two hours past the current last call -- again for a $1,500 fee. The changes would generate about $13.6 million.



"It's been a tradition for us at the Anchor to be open every possible hour of every possible day," Derderian said of his bar. "I think the fees sound reasonable."



But 7 a.m. on Sundays?



"That's a little bit early for a Sunday. The whole reason for the noon time frame was to encourage people to go to their houses of worship," said Edward Deeb, president of the Michigan Food & Beverage Association, which represents 3,400 grocers, convenience stores, restaurants and bars. "We'd still like to see some respect for that concept."



Trying to fill a $2.8-billion budget hole, state legislators are looking to the bottle to help drown their budget sorrows.

New fees that would allow bars, restaurants, convenience and grocery stores to expand the hours that alcohol is sold would generate about $13.6 million in revenues for the state.

One $1,500 annual fee would allow bars, restaurants, bowling alleys and party stores to sell alcohol until 4 a.m. instead of the current 2 a.m. curfew. A second $1,500 annual fee would allow bars and grocers to begin selling alcohol at 7 a.m. instead of the traditional noon start time for Sunday sales.

"That would be a godsend for us on game days," said Elizabeth Markle, manager of the Elwood Bar and Grill, which is close to both Comerica Park and Ford Field. "We get people in here at 10 a.m., so it would give us more than just one hour of crunch time."


Andy Deloney, spokesman for the Michigan Restaurant Association, said his group favors expanded hours for serving alcohol.

"But that fee is way too high," he said.

And he doesn't like giving communities the right to reject longer drinking hours within their borders, as the legislation allows.

Royal Oak City Commissioner Terry Drinkwine said the legislation doesn't make sense.

"Maybe on special occasions, but my first reaction is I wouldn't support it," he said.

Royal Oak, host to one of southeast Michigan's biggest bar scenes, already is concerned about the amount of alcohol sold there. The city will ask voters in November if the city should place a 2-year moratorium on transferring in liquor licenses from outside the city. As proposed, the moratorium would not apply to applications for transfers within the city.

Homer Smith, the executive director of Michigan's Mothers Against Drunk Driving, said the expanded hours would just put more impaired drivers on the roads.

"This will create a bar hopping scenario where people are always looking for that one last drink," he said. "I don't see any good coming out of this."

http://www.freep.com/article/20091008/NEWS06/910080432/1318/State-could-extend-bar-hours :buds:
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I dont know about everyone else but with me working in the bar business i can see this being a mistake.
 
This would be a huge mistake. Most of us know what people are like at a bar at 2AM already, extending that to 4 serves no good purpose.

Regarding not serving until Noon on Sunday, so much for any respect for the reason that is in effect to begin with. This will continue the overall downhill skid of society.

$1,500 is a drop in the bucket for any successful establishment.
 
This would be a huge mistake. Most of us know what people are like at a bar at 2AM already, extending that to 4 serves no good purpose.

Regarding not serving until Noon on Sunday, so much for any respect for the reason that is in effect to begin with. This will continue the overall downhill skid of society.

$1,500 is a drop in the bucket for any successful establishment.

All this means is more money for me if my bar owner wants me to work later im cool with it.
 
All this means is more money for me if my bar owner wants me to work later im cool with it.

its a double edged sword. Bar owner wants you to work later, but once the DUIs start racking up, and more fights start in bars, 2am would start to sound pretty damn good again
 
its a double edged sword. Bar owner wants you to work later, but once the DUIs start racking up, and more fights start in bars, 2am would start to sound pretty damn good again

I work security so the more fights the faster my night goes by LOL :buds:. The double edge sword thing is a good way of putting it. All in all it means more money for the state.
 
They need to PASS THE SMOKING-BAN BEFORE THEY EXTEND BAR TIME TIL 4AM. I'm tired of my clothes being saturated in cigarette smoke after only a short time in a bar. Fucks wrong with these people? Pass the ban!!!!!!!
 
They need to PASS THE SMOKING-BAN BEFORE THEY EXTEND BAR TIME TIL 4AM. I'm tired of my clothes being saturated in cigarette smoke after only a short time in a bar. Fucks wrong with these people? Pass the ban!!!!!!!

Thats why I change in the basement when I get home from work I hate that shit.
 
I work security so the more fights the faster my night goes by LOL :buds:. The double edge sword thing is a good way of putting it. All in all it means more money for the state.

You're too busy passed out on the coach to notice what's going on... :lau:
 

Thank you.

Thats why I change in the basement when I get home from work I hate that shit.

Yeah, I'll throw all my shit in the basement. It just sucks a T-shirt you wear for two hours needs to be washed. I haven't gone out lately, but you know Reiko and I bowl Thursdays and that place is the WORST place ever for smoke. There are 100 bowlers, plus say...25-50 visitors at any given time and I bet 130 of them smoke.
 
not only the smell on my clothes but the next day I'm hackin up flem or something from all the smoke..so gross.
 
Im down with being able to drink for a few more hours, Even tho i rarely can make it till 2am during the week anymore.
 
They need to PASS THE SMOKING-BAN BEFORE THEY EXTEND BAR TIME TIL 4AM. I'm tired of my clothes being saturated in cigarette smoke after only a short time in a bar. Fucks wrong with these people? Pass the ban!!!!!!!

I'm against a smoking ban as well. As long as smoking is legal, it is up to the establishment owner to allow smoking or not. Patrons have the choice to go or not.
 
Yeah, I'll throw all my shit in the basement. It just sucks a T-shirt you wear for two hours needs to be washed. I haven't gone out lately, but you know Reiko and I bowl Thursdays and that place is the WORST place ever for smoke. There are 100 bowlers, plus say...25-50 visitors at any given time and I bet 130 of them smoke.

Especially the assholes who want to smoke a fucking cigar all fucking night... :rant:
 
They need to PASS THE SMOKING-BAN BEFORE THEY EXTEND BAR TIME TIL 4AM. I'm tired of my clothes being saturated in cigarette smoke after only a short time in a bar. Fucks wrong with these people? Pass the ban!!!!!!!
It wont happen until they put in a stipulation allowing smoking in casinos.

The state makes too much money at the casinos, and like 80% of the people who gamble regualrly smoke.

I think the 4am limit is a good thing. but it should be a higher fee, 1500? any decent bar will make that back in one night. Should be like 10k. It will also be optional, plus the state will get more DUIs out of the deal, so its a win-win for the feds
 
I'm against a smoking ban as well. As long as smoking is legal, it is up to the establishment owner to allow smoking or not. Patrons have the choice to go or not.

Your against the ban? I wasn't against it, I am for it. If someone can't go 2-3 hours without a cigarette...wow.

Especially the assholes who want to smoke a fucking cigar all fucking night... :rant:

Yep. I know who has them cigars. They smell like he pulled them out of his ass and lit it up. I want to slam his head in a large pitcher of water. :spank:
 
I'm against a smoking ban as well. As long as smoking is legal, it is up to the establishment owner to allow smoking or not. Patrons have the choice to go or not.
Nope, if there was a way for every person to contain his or her own smoke then youd have a point. But if you are breathing smoke in the air I am trying to breathe, then you are hampering my ability to breathe fresh air.

Thats like saying it should be up to the restaurant owner to allow cooks to spit in your food...

In a private club, ive got no problem with smoking indoors, their club, their rules, but in a public confined space, you should not be smoking indoors. its easy to put a covered area outside where people can smoke their brains out.
 
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