Question for the muscle building guys...

383s10tim

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What are your thoughts on natural HGH promoters? Do they work at all? I've been working out 3-4times per week for the last 3 months and I'm stronger but not getting any bigger. Maybe I'm going about it the wrong way. I had a trainer for the first month and a half so I was pointed in the right direction and it just seems like my results have flat lined now.

Any other suggestions other then my question above are welcomed.


Thanks
 
3 months and not getting bigger means you're not eating enough. And if you're not eating enough, you're probably not really getting any stronger. There is only one way to build muscle mass and that is to eat, eat, eat. Do not bother taking HGH until you fully understand how to diet properly and know the risks and how to do it. I wouldn't recommend it as the human body is fully capable of building muscle mass naturally that will look good.

Working out is the easy part. The difficult part is eating. Anybody can push weight around, but only those disciplined to take countless hours to prepare food and spend the time eating it are the ones who will get size. Do not waste money on supplements either until you are eating. Just as it says "supplement" which means "supplement to a proper diet for your goals."

Put together a spreadsheet of foods you like and find the caloric intake, carbs, protein, and fat. Obviously keep the fat low, carbs, protein and calories high, and put it into a spreadsheet spread over 6-7 meals per day. Once you've done this, if you're not getting enough protein, supplement it with a whey shake. If calories are low, you can take a mass gainer like cytogainer to add a quick 600 calories in one shake (it's like a meal in a shake).

Depending on your size, the numbers you want to use will vary. I started at about 145 and ate at least 5k calories per day, 200g protein and like 900 carbs or something crazy. Lots of chicken, rice, potatoes, veggies, tuna, etc... I put on crazy mass on jumped to over 180 pounds in just months. Many people thought I was on steroids but I had never touched the stuff. I did have a stack of Gaspari sizeon and superpump, and a plain old creatine monohydrate. My bench press over 300 on flat bench and on a hammer strength decline machine I could do insane amounts.

Everybody is different, I'm not saying you'll have the same results, but it sounds like you're not eating. If you had been dieting properly, after 3 months, you would see significant increases in size. Eat all that you can and try to keep it clean. Do not get calories from pop or fast food.

People will give you shit about being on roids when they see how fast you are advancing, but they're just haters who either do not have the knowledge of proper diet, or the discipline. I can't count how many guys I saw at the gym when I first started and in just months they were pushing the same lightweight around and I was killin' it.

I used to have a spreadsheet of my diet, I will see if I can find it if you're interested in seeing what my intake was.
 
what are you trying to do? next mr michigan? or get healthy and fit?
get so big that you cant buy shirts or jackets? or keep cholesterol down?
what you have done is get your self in great cardio shape
also remeber when you stop working out it will turn to fat
 
3 months and not getting bigger means you're not eating enough. And if you're not eating enough, you're probably not really getting any stronger. There is only one way to build muscle mass and that is to eat, eat, eat. Do not bother taking HGH until you fully understand how to diet properly and know the risks and how to do it. I wouldn't recommend it as the human body is fully capable of building muscle mass naturally that will look good.

Working out is the easy part. The difficult part is eating. Anybody can push weight around, but only those disciplined to take countless hours to prepare food and spend the time eating it are the ones who will get size. Do not waste money on supplements either until you are eating. Just as it says "supplement" which means "supplement to a proper diet for your goals."

Put together a spreadsheet of foods you like and find the caloric intake, carbs, protein, and fat. Obviously keep the fat low, carbs, protein and calories high, and put it into a spreadsheet spread over 6-7 meals per day. Once you've done this, if you're not getting enough protein, supplement it with a whey shake. If calories are low, you can take a mass gainer like cytogainer to add a quick 600 calories in one shake (it's like a meal in a shake).

Depending on your size, the numbers you want to use will vary. I started at about 145 and ate at least 5k calories per day, 200g protein and like 900 carbs or something crazy. Lots of chicken, rice, potatoes, veggies, tuna, etc... I put on crazy mass on jumped to over 180 pounds in just months. Many people thought I was on steroids but I had never touched the stuff. I did have a stack of Gaspari sizeon and superpump, and a plain old creatine monohydrate. My bench press over 300 on flat bench and on a hammer strength decline machine I could do insane amounts.

Everybody is different, I'm not saying you'll have the same results, but it sounds like you're not eating. If you had been dieting properly, after 3 months, you would see significant increases in size. Eat all that you can and try to keep it clean. Do not get calories from pop or fast food.

People will give you shit about being on roids when they see how fast you are advancing, but they're just haters who either do not have the knowledge of proper diet, or the discipline. I can't count how many guys I saw at the gym when I first started and in just months they were pushing the same lightweight around and I was killin' it.

I used to have a spreadsheet of my diet, I will see if I can find it if you're interested in seeing what my intake was.


Wow you gave me alot of good info, I definatly dont have a thorough diet like that, I watch my fat content and take a whey shake after my workouts and eat something with high carbs before and high carbs and protein after but it sounds like thats what I'm lacking. if you could find that spreadsheet it would be appreciated.
 
what are you trying to do? next mr michigan? or get healthy and fit?
get so big that you cant buy shirts or jackets? or keep cholesterol down?
what you have done is get your self in great cardio shape
also remeber when you stop working out it will turn to fat

Getting more mass is whats on the agenda, so my goal would be healthy and built
 
Great post by raroz28...

I'm currently "bulking" and it takes A LOT of eating.

The general rule is that for gains you need to be taking in at least 1.5g of protein per lb that you currently weigh. Do the math and I bet you're coming up way short of that. Start by taking whatever you're eating right now and add another protein shake first thing in the morning (I am currently taking 3 shakes per day, 2 scoopers @ 45g per shake). Also, before bed... 2 nice sized PBJs.

My daily right now:
6am: Protein shake
7am: Bagel w/cream cheese
9am: 4 eggs, wheat toast, butter
11am: Turkey pastrami and turkey breast sammy on wheat
1pm: crackers and PB snack
3pm: Protein shake
6pm: Chicken or steak sub or sandwich (dinner, usually fast food because I'm at work... subway or something like that)
9pm: Can of tun
11pm: Protein shake
midnight: 2 PBJs

That's a lot of eating and tough to find time for, but I'm home all day with my new baby. Out of the list above, I'll generally miss one or two of those scheduled "feedings" but I try to get them all. I've gained 15lbs in 2 months. Started @ 180lbs, currently 195lbs. I'm shooting for 210lbs before I start to cut. This is the heaviest I've ever been... and yes, I know I'm not sleeping enough. Having a 4 month old in the house and working split shifts with the wife will do that.
 
As its already been said the biggest part of muscle building is in your diet but ALSO your training. If your not doing the right work outs, or performing the work outs correctly, you will go no where. Don't waste your time on "Natural" HGH or Test boosters. They are NOTHING compared to real Anabolics. It takes a lot of hard work and dedication to put weight on and keep it on naturally. I would suggest going to bodybuilding.com and reading around on the forums. Good luck.
 
People will give you shit about being on roids when they see how fast you are advancing, but they're just haters who either do not have the knowledge of proper diet, or the discipline. I can't count how many guys I saw at the gym when I first started and in just months they were pushing the same lightweight around and I was killin' it.

It's extremely easy to tell when people are on the sauce. At 180lbs and you could only flat bench 300 I could tell you weren't. :lol: BTW you may want to re-read his post he said NATURAL HGH as in the GNC bullshit that doesn't work for shit. Real HGH is not something to fuck with, the reward is almost never worth the risk over something that's anabolic comparable. Seen too many guys I used to lift with get messed up running that.
 
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I know roids aren't such a hush hush thing anymore, where does someone get this stuff? I'm not to interested in trying it cause my hair is thin enough and I already deal with acne (at 29!) but it seams like a mainstream thing.
 
I know roids aren't such a hush hush thing anymore, where does someone get this stuff? I'm not to interested in trying it cause my hair is thin enough and I already deal with acne (at 29!) but it seams like a mainstream thing.

There are many international sources online as well as "that guy" at the gym, but you'll pay 4-5x as much domestically than you would internationally. It's not as "hush hush" as it used to be, youll find some in about any gym you go to. Though at your age, and the amount of scamming that goes on locally I would stay far away from it.
 
It's extremely easy to tell when people are on the sauce. At 180lbs and you could only flat bench 300 I could tell you weren't. :lol: BTW you may want to re-read his post he said NATURAL HGH as in the GNC bullshit that doesn't work for shit. Real HGH is not something to fuck with, the reward is almost never worth the risk over something that's anabolic comparable. Seen too many guys I used to lift with get messed up running that.

Yeah I had a very natural look.

As silver said if you're on roids it's easy to tell. You can put on 20lbs of muscle in a month and yes your bench press and ability to move massive weight will go thru the roof.

I would not touch the stuff. And remember, without the proper diet taking that will be a mistake... Steroids are still just a supplement and should be used by professionals who have a good knowledge of nutrition and bodybuilding. There is no safe way to take them but the safest would be to find somebody who can administer and regulate the steroids and help you with your diet. I'm sure some nutritionists do it.

I am not sure about the GNC natural HGH stuff. I have never heard of it.
 
Yeah I had a very natural look.

As silver said if you're on roids it's easy to tell. You can put on 20lbs of muscle in a month and yes your bench press and ability to move massive weight will go thru the roof.

I would not touch the stuff. And remember, without the proper diet taking that will be a mistake... Steroids are still just a supplement and should be used by professionals who have a good knowledge of nutrition and bodybuilding. There is no safe way to take them but the safest would be to find somebody who can administer and regulate the steroids and help you with your diet. I'm sure some nutritionists do it.

I am not sure about the GNC natural HGH stuff. I have never heard of it.


Good information here. I had around 32lbs in my first month on a bulking diet. ;)

The natural HGH shit is either a pre/post drink that is branded with HGH on it...stupid stuff like that. Just how they put "TESTOSTERONE" on the little pills they sell for $100 ask a marketing scam. For the best natural stack I would get a good quality Whey Protein, a good pre-work out (I like Xtend) and some pure creatine if you want a few pounds of water weight.

I forgot to ask this earlier, to the OP...what kind of lifts are you doing? As in how do you break down your work outs weekly? Are you using mostly cables or free weights? The best way to grow is to eat, lift heavy, and eat more.
 
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What are your thoughts on natural HGH promoters? Do they work at all? I've been working out 3-4times per week for the last 3 months and I'm stronger but not getting any bigger. Maybe I'm going about it the wrong way. I had a trainer for the first month and a half so I was pointed in the right direction and it just seems like my results have flat lined now.

Any other suggestions other then my question above are welcome.

Thanks
Unless you take steroids ,it takes time my man, be patient, your gains will come. If it was easy everyone would be huge.
 
It's extremely easy to tell when people are on the sauce. At 180lbs and you could only flat bench 300 I could tell you weren't. :lol: BTW you may want to re-read his post he said NATURAL HGH as in the GNC bullshit that doesn't work for shit. Real HGH is not something to fuck with, the reward is almost never worth the risk over something that's anabolic comparable. Seen too many guys I used to lift with get messed up running that.

how did they get messed up with GH?
 
just my .02...naturally Gh enhancers do work BUT are very very weak. NOT worth the money IMO.

GH has been used for years in anti-aging clinics and used for fat loss purposes at a very low dose. (1.2 ius's) daily.
Also with the advancements of peptides you can now go through the "grey" market (legally use) and there is TONS of data /studies on its use. Peptide use is just as strong as GH but administration is up to 2-3 times daily for the results you might want.

GH isnt the same thing though as anabolics is to not be confused with them. They are totally different.
 
I don't know this to be true but.....I read an article(which I cant find now)

Basically it said you need to work your legs to increase your levels of GH and Testosterone.

I just started working about a couple weeks ago so I don't know shit.

I could swear it was on BodyBuilding.com....but I cant find it
 
I don't know this to be true but.....I read an article(which I cant find now)

Basically it said you need to work your legs to increase your levels of GH and Testosterone.

I just started working about a couple weeks ago so I don't know shit.

I could swear it was on BodyBuilding.com....but I cant find it
increased workload and stress on body does raise GH and test( free)
 
how did they get messed up with GH?

Extremely bad joint pain at times, blood pressure,etc. One guy had started to get an odd cart growth too. Granted, they may have been OD as a lot of guys have the "bigger is better" attitude. I guess what I was trying to say is I'd MUCH rather run Test/Tren/Deca....any of those over HGH. (obviously not all together ;)) GH price is pretty high too.
 
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