Porche cries foul on GT-R time

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Porsche cries foul on GT-R time

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Porsche accuses Nissan of cheating at Nurburgring

Porsche has accused Nissan of cheating in the GT-R's record bid at the Nurburgring racetrack.
Porsche has just run its own back-to-back tests with the Japanese company's GT-R supercar and says it could not get within 25 seconds of Nissan's claimed record time of seven minutes 29 seconds in April.

It also found its 911 Turbo and GT2 were both quicker than the GT-R.

"This wonder car with 7:29 could not have been a regular series production car," says August Achleitner, the 911 product chief for Porsche, speaking to the CARSguide at the Australian press preview of the latest 911 Cabrio.

"For us, it's not clear how this time is possible. What we can imagine with this Nissan is they used other tyres."

He believes the time achieved by Nissan with ex-Formula One driver Toshio Suzuki would only be possible with a semi-slick race-style tyre.

Achleitner says Porsche took a standard GT-R, running on regular road tyres, and ran it around the Nurburgring within two hours of its own cars, on the same day with exactly the same weather conditions.

He says there was no tweaking of any kind and the GT2 and Turbo both ran on regular Porsche road tyres, the Michelin Sport Cup.

"We bought the car in the US. We drove a GT-R with new tyres," he says.

Achleitner was initially protective of the exact lap times, which were run during a program when Porsche also compared its upcoming four-door Panamera with a range of potential rivals.

But he eventually revealed his team clocked the GT-R at 7 minutes 54 seconds, with the 911 Turbo managing 7:38 and the GT2 getting down to 7:34.

The laps were not run by Porsche's usual hot-lap specialist, former world rally champion and race winner Walter Rohrl, but one of the company's chassis development engineers who is an expert on the Nurburgring.

Achleitner says the back-to-back comparison was run because Porsche was concerned by Nissan's claims for the GT-R, which is heavier than the 911 with similar power.

"The Nissan is a good car. I don't want to make anything bad with my words," he says.

"It's a very consistent car. But this car is about 20 kilos heavier than the Turbo . . ."

In the end, Porsche believes its testing has achieved the right lap times for the Skyline GT-R and benchmarked it against its own 911 heroes in the right context.

"For us it has been clearly the result. This technical puzzle now fits together. With the other numbers we had problems to understand it," he says.

- Herald Sun

http://carsguide.news.com.au/site/m...he_accuses_nissan_of_cheating_at_nurburgring/
 
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Is this a shock to anyone? If you seriously believed the GT-R was anywhere NEAR a ZR-1, or was faster than what Porsche has ever clocked with a 617hp, 3100 lb Carrera GT, you're nuts! The car weighs 3800 lbs and has in the neighborhood of 500 hp. That shit is physics! I understand that great trans gizmos and AWD can be worth something, but they aren't magic.

Of course, Porsche is biased, but they wouldn't be out making these claims if they knew someone could make a fool out of them.
 
*yawn* I thought we were done talking about this car?


The latest Car and Driver "Lightning Lap" has the GT-R in it. (Quick results)

If maximum speed is the goal, make sure to opt for Dunlop SP Sport 600 tires, which made the GT-R more than three seconds quicker than with all-season SP Sport 7010s. We’ve also previously sampled GT-Rs with the other summer tire choice, Bridgestone RE070Rs, and found them to be less grippy and more prone to understeer than the SP Sport 600s. However equipped, the GT-R is certainly quick—its 2:55.6 lap time bettered last year’s Corvette Z06 by more than two seconds—if not the most rewarding car to drive fast on a track.

The GT-R beat the non-Z06 Corvette by 5 seconds, but lost to the Viper ACR by 7 seconds.

They did not test a Z06 or ZR1 this year. The Cobalt SS also kicked some serious ass.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/09/25/car-and-driver-runs-this-years-lightning-lap-at-vir/
 
What?!?!?! Are you serious!?!?!?!
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There was a GT-R at NASA Nationals running TT I don't think it ran one lap faster than I ran last year in my Stock C5 Z06 (OK I did have R compounds and Brakes) but so did the GT-R
 
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