Okay, so maybe this was covered and I missed it...

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But where did Stenod move to? I wanted to get my CC dynoed, and drove by where the shop is, or rather was as I work on Crooks and Meijer so it's a half mile away and I found Autobike in there place (very cool concept by the way, I need to swing by and have a look at one as my wife doesn't like riding her one-speed vintage Schwinn).
 
Joe and some of the Stenod crew all got bad ass jobs at Pratt Miller.

I think Harlan is in Ohio now and Derty is up north or where ever he was before.
 
Scooter70 said:
Who is GeosRide? Haven't seen that name around in years. ;)

(Autobike is a company run by MM's own LTLHOMER.)
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I think he's a ghost or something. :)

I was looking at those Autobikes yesterday, need to stop over there and have a look. Might be good for the wife.
 
It is tough to work for peanuts 80 hours a week building a business when you can get paid big bucks for 40 hours of work. I haven't talked to Joe and I am just speculating, but it is a tough gig from what I have seen in 20 years as a customer of many businesses like his.

-Geoff
 
WhiteHawk said:
It is tough to work for peanuts 80 hours a week building a business when you can get paid big bucks for 40 hours of work. I haven't talked to Joe and I am just speculating, but it is a tough gig from what I have seen in 20 years as a customer of many businesses like his.

-Geoff
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I'd say that's a very fair statement. His work is/was top notch
 
CMYZ28 said:
I'd say that's a very fair statement. His work is/was top notch
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His work was awesome. But even if he kicked out a $10,000 project once a week, that still isn't enough to support yourself, three or four employees, taxes, rent, utilities, and still pay yourself a decent wage. Not when a good engineer can pull $70k per year at a good company with benefits. It is a no-brainer.

-Geoff
 
he still does side work out of that place i guess my buddy just dropped his car off the get a couple things done, he does great work and will be in touch with him soon to get some stuff done
 
WhiteHawk said:
His work was awesome. But even if he kicked out a $10,000 project once a week, that still isn't enough to support yourself, three or four employees, taxes, rent, utilities, and still pay yourself a decent wage. Not when a good engineer can pull $70k per year at a good company with benefits. It is a no-brainer.

-Geoff
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I have a hard time understanding how anyone can make money doing that sort of stuff anyway. Like you said, the economics just aren't there.
 
Seems like it goes in cycles. Right now alot of shops closed in the last couple years with the recession, but if/when the economy picks back up and people want to mod their cars they will pop back up.

I think part of the reason there isnt as much demand is just how good the cars from the factory are. Its not like the days of the 4.6L or LS1 when you had to do fairly complicated upgrades to get "really fast". Now, you just do full exhaust/tune and you're in the low 12's if you have a new GT / SS. Then add in the 03 Cobra/GT500/ZL1 and really fast gets really easy with some basic changes.

Thats why guys like Livernois & Alternative have adapted and mostly do bolt-ons and tuning. Not too many people out there dropping $10k for a engine build.....
 
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