Most American made car...

These "most American" stories are so full of shit. There's more to car's American-ness than where final assembly is done, or even sub-component manufactured location. Go tell the tens of thousands of white collar GM, Ford, and Chrysler employees in Warren Tech, RenCen, Milford, Dearborn, Auburn Hills, etc. that those piece of shit Hondas are more American than theirs.

:bsflag:Sorry, not buying it.
 
Well you certainly couldn't do that for Chrysler, at least for IT given they sent nearly all of it to India.
I decided not to train my replacement and left.
 
Well, according to that list I'm in pretty good shape.

I own two Chevy's, a Ford and a Honda.

Thank God I don't own any FCA :lol:
 
Since FCA is number one, I'm happy to say I have four of them at my house, along with a chevy, a ford, and two hondas.
 
DeFormula said:
Since FCA is number one, I'm happy to say I have four of them at my house, along with a chevy, a ford, and two hondas.
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And there is nothing more American than having eight cars! I have four for just me and my wife - two Chevy's, one Pontiac, and one Ford.

-Geoff
 
Killjoy said:
These "most American" stories are so full of shit. There's more to car's American-ness than where final assembly is done, or even sub-component manufactured location. Go tell the tens of thousands of white collar GM, Ford, and Chrysler employees in Warren Tech, RenCen, Milford, Dearborn, Auburn Hills, etc. that those piece of shit Hondas are more American than theirs.

:bsflag:Sorry, not buying it.
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Responding from the Ren Cen. The article doesn't offend me in the slightest. All of these companies sell cars all over the world. The Honda's listed are really only here because they're specifically aimed at the North American market. I'd expect the volume of the Ridgeline and Pilot to be pretty low in most other places, assuming it's even offered elsewhere. The Corvette is an American icon...it pretty much has to be "American." I mean, pretty much all of the cars are on that list for a reason.

I'm employed by GM, work in the Ren Cen and talk to people all over the US, plus Australia, New Zealand, Mexico, Brazil, Canada, South Korea, Russia, Switzerland, Italy, England and a whole bunch of other countries on a weekly basis. GM employs more people in the US than other countries, but contract workers and non-US GM employees are just as important as me. It doesn't bother me in the slightest bit where parts are produced are cars are assembled.
 
RyeLou said:
Responding from the Ren Cen. The article doesn't offend me in the slightest. All of these companies sell cars all over the world. The Honda's listed are really only here because they're specifically aimed at the North American market. I'd expect the volume of the Ridgeline and Pilot to be pretty low in most other places, assuming it's even offered elsewhere. The Corvette is an American icon...it pretty much has to be "American." I mean, pretty much all of the cars are on that list for a reason.

I'm employed by GM, work in the Ren Cen and talk to people all over the US, plus Australia, New Zealand, Mexico, Brazil, Canada, South Korea, Russia, Switzerland, Italy, England and a whole bunch of other countries on a weekly basis. GM employs more people in the US than other countries, but contract workers and non-US GM employees are just as important as me. It doesn't bother me in the slightest bit where parts are produced are cars are assembled.
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So are you agreeing with me? :unsure:

My point is that there's a lot more to making a company American (or not) than simply where the parts were manufactured or final assembly took place. Sure, GM is a multi-national and they build and sell cars all over the world. But it's still an American company. HQ is here. Profits are sent here. Vast majority of R&D, design, engineering, leadership is here. And that's why Honda or Toyota will always be Japanese, even if they established final assembly for the NA market in my garage and paid me rent. That's was my point... placing 4 PoS Japanese cars on the "Top 10 most American list" is a crock of shit.
 
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Yeah its BS based purely off where parts are sourced. Take into account engineering, research, validation etc and the results would be much different.
 
Love my Canadian built FCA car (even though it was Chrysler LLC at the time), and its Mexican built engine under the hood.
 
I always wondered what stuff like this actually meant, so I looked it up. The cars.com report uses the window sticker percentages, plus it figures in where it is built, number of employees, and where the engine and transmission is built. So they double dip the engine, trans, and labor to some extent. The window sticker values are based on value of parts plus installation. So from a quantity of parts, you could have 50% of the parts coming over from China, but if the engine and transmission are from the US, all the body steel and sheet metal are from the US, and it is assembled in the US, you could end up with 80% US content by cost.

So yea, just something to think about.

-Geoff
 
Killjoy said:
So are you agreeing with me? :unsure:

My point is that there's a lot more to making a company American (or not) than simply where the parts were manufactured or final assembly took place. Sure, GM is a multi-national and they build and sell cars all over the world. But it's still an American company. HQ is here. Profits are sent here. Vast majority of R&D, design, engineering, leadership is here. And that's why Honda or Toyota will always be Japanese, even if they established final assembly for the NA market in my garage and paid me rent. That's was my point... placing 4 PoS Japanese cars on the "Top 10 most American list" is a crock of shit.
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Yeah we're pretty much saying the same thing. Toyota and Honda are Japanese companies because their HQ's are there. GM/Ford/FCA are US, because their HQ's are here. It gets too gray too quickly after that. If we want to get into tax laws and where the companies are claiming their money, maybe that's another wrinkle to consider.
 
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