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I never did understand why people would buy less than the recommended minimum octane just to save a few cents :hmm:


Gunnar Heinrich, editor of AutomobilesDeluxe, recently mistakenly filled a press fleet Cadillac SRX Turbo with regular unleaded fuel. The result? A catastrophic "mega knock event." His semi-harrowing tale of sudden unintended highway deceleration below. — Ed.


IT'S nighttime and I'm rather unnerved.

I'm on the 101 halfway up some mountain outside Ventura, California in a 2010 Cadillac SRX Turbo that has just died in the narrow meridian.

I'm barking at some nonplussed 9-1-1 dispatcher on the cell, OnStar's on hold, and I'm ready to jump the jersey barrier if some dazed motorist drifts my way.

They all seem to brush by at light's speed.

This broken press car is one of Cadillac's latest midsize crossovers – a plush, Lexus RX fighter – that had just lapped its two thousandth mile before the car's engine bought the farm.

In no time at all I had dropped from a comfy 65 mph cruise into a sputtering stop with black smoke billowing from beneath the silver hood and a long oily trail in my wake.

And now I'm awaiting rescue.

Minutes tick by endlessly. But the state police do arrive. The officer spies my precarious position and proceeds to snake his patrol car back and forth across the freeway- side-winder style.

Only then, does traffic slow to a grudging halt.

"If you can start your car, move it across to the right side." The officer coolly broadcasts over the loudspeaker.

Now, all of Ventura seems to be waiting behind him. The cars are like greyhounds at the gate and I feel like the rabbit as – rattled and frozen – I climb behind the Caddy's helm and press the start button.

Thunk-Thunk-Thunk-Thunk-Thunk-Thunk goes the mortally wounded motor.

Into drive.

We're on borrowed seconds!

The SRX c-r-a-w-l-s across the freeway to the far side. The go pedal's level with the carpet.

I reach the right side and the Caddy quits.

Traffic resumes its F1 pace, a discussion with the officer ensues, and ten minutes later the tow truck shows.

The driver shakes his head and says that only days prior some poor guy had similar trouble with his bike. When he tried crossing to the breakdown lane he got hit in roughly the same spot where I'd landed. He died.

So, what caused this fresh new Caddy to breakdown?

The answer arrived yesterday afternoon in a conference call with GM. Their findings are triggering a model-wide update to go into effect directly.

DAMAGE REPORT

On the phone is Tom Sutter.

Mr. Sutter is GM's chief engineer for the automaker's V6 engines. Also on the line is David Caldwell, Cadillac's press manager.

Mr. Sutter leads headlong into a thorough explanation of the wheels that were set in motion following the incident.

"We took this very seriously," he says. His tone is direct and earnest.

"As soon as it happened, we expedited the vehicle's shipment back to our test center in Warren, Michigan. We've been at this 24 hours a day, 7 days a week."

He and his team "tore down" the motor, analyzed the car's black box data, and sent a fuel sample to a third party lab for analysis. Additional tests on a dyno replicated the failure, but they've yet to duplicate the incident in real life testing.

The SRX Turbo uses a 2.8 liter, 300 hp V6. This same engine has served for five years in Saabs including the upcoming 9-4X. The engine also powers Germany's Opel Insignia.

THE BREAKDOWN

Mr. Sutter is describing my incident as a "Mega knock event."

"We have a high degree of confidence that we've sourced the problem," he tells me, getting down into the gory details.

What happened is as follows and was, apparently, a fluke:

The V6 in the Cadillac requires a minimum 91 Octane.

Lab tests had shown that the SRX was running on regular which meant that yours had inadvertently fed the car 88 Octane gas and not the factory mandated premium.

At some point during travel, between 2000-2500 rpm – or normal highway cruising speed – the engine's management system had adjusted the air fuel mixture to work too lean causing a retarded spark – but crucially – it allowed for a simultaneous turbo boost which led to a catastrophic pressure build up in the cylinder chambers.

This caused cylinder six to fail quickly -leaving yours stranded.

Mr. Sutter's team concluded that the resulting pressure in the chamber was four times greater than the stress during full throttle acceleration.

"We've been working on a new calibration which should be implemented in coming days," he says, indicating that this will ensure proper engine management going forward during what we might describe as "lean times" during the fuel consumption of a given SRX Turbo.

Mr. Caldwell stresses that what happened was an extremely rare event and that they've had only a couple of incidents that resemble what happened to me in California.

He suggests that the low Octane gas could be considered a contributing factor and not the primary cause of the engine's failure. But not everyone is careful with their choice of gas (as evidenced by this writer) and high Octane gas isn't always available in some rural areas.

Surely the car must be engineered to compensate?

Both acknowledge this aspect and say that the SRX's management system should have adjusted to accommodate for the lesser grade petrol and their system fix will ensure that it does going forward.

Nevertheless, Mr. Sutter maintains that the low Octane gas was the primary trigger in my car's failure.

"Ever since we've switched to low displacement, turbocharged engines, we've noticed a sensitivity [to Octane levels]."

The 2.8 liter, turbocharged V6 was created at GM's Pontiac, Michigan center in tandem with Saab staff in Sweden who engineered the turbo.

While most Saabs require only regular unleaded, the Cadillac SRX Turbo's V6 represents the highest output version of this particular powerplant, hence the requirement for higher grade fuel.

NEXT STEPS

As this article posts, GM is conducting field tests on six SRX Turbos in Death Valley to ensure that the recalibration they've devised will prevent a repeat of the failure when the vehicle runs on regular unleaded.

Once finalized, Cadillac will implement the engine management adjustments to the SRX assembly line so that new SRX Turbo units rolling off the line going forward will benefit from the update.

Current SRX Turbo customers will receive the update at their Cadillac dealer during service, though the company has not yet decided how it will inform customers on the need to getting their car updated.

We should receive word on their customer plan within the week. Also, GM will provide Automobiles De Luxe with another press car to complete our review. Expect our full take on the 2010 Cadillac SRX Turbo next month.

Here's hoping for a smoother road test.


Ed. Note: Special thanks to OnStar, Chris at Page One, and California Highway Patrol for their greatly appreciated help.

http://jalopnik.com/5501161/never-fill-a-cadillac-srx-turbo-with-regular-unleaded-gas
 
My Camaro was 91 recommended but 87 acceptable in my owners manual when I bought it. I ran it on lower octane for a bit but ended up throwing engine knock codes. Switched to premium fuel and NEVER had a single code thrown since that. Now that I added boost, premium is the ONLY fuel it will ever see but it does make a difference. I saw it on my NA set-up from the factory.
 
this is going to become more problematic for sure in the future.Especially with a hyperutectic piston design.
 
The writter of the article is clearly a fucking idiot from putting regular fuel in it to pulling over on the left when he blew it up. It is a shame with it blew up something din't come through the firewall and hit him in the head.
 
On a personal note, I had to tell my mom to use at least 91 in her car (says use 91 or higher)...she was filling up with regular for a while, and I just said "your engine might blow up". She's put premium in ever since.

I think there is a general misunderstanding of what "octane rating" actually is. I think a majority of people just think that you will just get more horsepower or more efficiency with a higher octane, and that's it.

But yes, it seems that it takes very little automotive knowlege to become an automotive journalist these days.
 
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My TBSS recommends premium fuel.

When I'm driving it in normal city driving conditions, I always use 93.

When I'm traveling I use 87. It gets better gas mileage and I dont go to high on the RPM's.

I can feel the difference in the performance in the 2 fuels.
 
I've scared the fire of hell into my wife that if she ever fills up my Charger with anything other than 93 that she will die in a horrible explosion from my engine imploding on itself.
 
Honestly, she's so scared that she won't drive it if she thinks she'll have to fill it up. She's so used to just throwing 88 into all her vehicles previously that she knows she's going to screw it up. When it was getting tuned, Stenod had to stop till I could get 93 into it for fear of the engine getting damaged.
 
I think there is a general misunderstanding of what "octane rating" actually is. I think a majority of people just think that you will just get more horsepower or more efficiency with a higher octane, and that's it.


Bingo. I've even read in an issue of Maxim stating that your a dumbass if you put anything but regular in your car. They said unless your driving a Ferrari, just use regular or else you'll just be wasting money. They stated nothing about the meaning of an octanes rating to resist detonation in higher compression engines.
 
Bingo. I've even read in an issue of Maxim stating that your a dumbass if you put anything but regular in your car. They said unless your driving a Ferrari, just use regular or else you'll just be wasting money. They stated nothing about the meaning of an octanes rating to resist detonation in higher compression engines.


Please tell me you're joking. This is from wikipedia:

"The octane rating is a measure of the resistance of petrol and other fuels to autoignition in spark-ignition internal combustion engines."

Spark-ignition engines are knock limited which means they will detonate (or pre-ignite) before the spark plug fires. This causes damaging pressure waves that will eventually destroy an engine. Using a higher octace rating fuel moves the knock threshhold and allows the engine to operate with a more advanced spark. When you use lower octane rating fuel in an engine tuned to use premium, the computer has to pull timing which reduces power. If the car was not designed to use premium, the spark tables are already tuned for lower octane fuel, meaning the spark advance has already been pulled out.

If you think only Ferrari's do this, well then, keep putting the cheap gas in your car and be happy.
 
I run midgrade in my fox because the timing is bumped. I tried regular,midgrade,and premium several times on cross country trips and the midgrade just seemed to feel better. It could have just been in my head though. :)
 
I can feel a difference in my clubwagon when using 89 or 93 over reular unleaded
I think ford built in knock sensors to retard the timing when using lower grade fuel
 
Honestly, she's so scared that she won't drive it if she thinks she'll have to fill it up. She's so used to just throwing 88 into all her vehicles previously that she knows she's going to screw it up. When it was getting tuned, Stenod had to stop till I could get 93 into it for fear of the engine getting damaged.


Since when did Michigan have 88?? I thought it was 87 or 89?? Ryan, did you do a 1/2 and 1/2 mix??

:roll:
 
Honestly, she's so scared that she won't drive it if she thinks she'll have to fill it up. She's so used to just throwing 88 into all her vehicles previously that she knows she's going to screw it up. When it was getting tuned, Stenod had to stop till I could get 93 into it for fear of the engine getting damaged.

My wife filled up my Mustang once, trying to be nice....Of course, she added the lowest grade into the tank when the car had a high-octane tune. :faint:

I just added octane booster and kept out of the higher rpms till I could fill up with premium again.
 
i used to put 87 octane in my old '94 deville and never had a "mega knock event" old people are going to be trashing engines lol!
 
But yes, it seems that it takes very little automotive knowlege to become an automotive journalist these days.

Sums it up right here.... What an idiot this journalist is. Not saying that Caddy shouldn't fix this for the typical soccer mom who will do this, but an automobile enthusiast magazine writer??? give me a break.
 
You can always do your own test.

Fill your car with 87, Take it out on the eway on a nice cool night, Put the car in final drive at 55 and put it to the floor. Better try it with 94 first, You might not get the oppertunity to try it with anything after the 87 oct test.
 
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