If you know anything about wideband systems, read.

kovacs32 said:
I want to run a nitrous wet kit on my stang (bascily an 03 mustang GT setup) and i cant afford to do all the dyno tuning and such
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Then I would probably skip the nitrous until you can.

-Geoff
 
kovacs32 said:
I want to run a nitrous wet kit on my stang (bascily an 03 mustang GT setup) and i cant afford to do all the dyno tuning and such so i was wonder if i just baught a wideband kit and installed it if that would help me to get my car running on the safe side. what do you gusy think?

i was thinking about this kit:

http://www.modulardepot.com/product_info.php?products_id=211
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Wide band isn't going to do shit unless you have tuning software.

If you can't tune or can't afford to do it. Do not spray it.
 
A wideband absolutely will help you dial in the nitrous setup.

IF you start with a small hit, and have all the other safety stuff; IE colder plugs, window switch, wot switch, possibly a FP safety switch, bottle heater, etc.

then go for it. IT CAN BE RISKY; but not everyone that has ever had nitrous on their car has had it tuned on the dyno.

start small and work the way up from there. maybe even a bigger fuel jet than recommended just to be sure, if spraying a wet shot.
 
Rod442 said:
A wideband absolutely will help you dial in the nitrous setup.

IF you start with a small hit, and have all the other safety stuff; IE colder plugs, window switch, wot switch, possibly a FP safety switch, bottle heater, etc.

then go for it. IT CAN BE RISKY; but not everyone that has ever had nitrous on their car has had it tuned on the dyno.

start small and work the way up from there. maybe even a bigger fuel jet than recommended just to be sure, if spraying a wet shot.
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Not sure what kind of timing fords run, and if you'd need to pull a couple degrees out or not (you may not have to do anything on a small shot). You won't need tuning software for a stock engine and a nitrous kit. Getting your own wideband will help you fine tune the nitrous jetting. For baseline on an application like yours I would start out with the nitrous kits reccomended jets and run slightly lower bottle pressure than what they say.

Making sure you have all the safetys for nitrous, along with good quality nitrous parts and supporting mods (fuel pump if needed ect..) and making sure the kit is installed right, nossle placement ect.. is the hard part.
 
How much would a dyno tune on nitrous run anyways? $400 for the wideband doesn't seem that far off from a dyno tune. Or better yet, see if you can find someone who does it for themself and see if you can buy a couple hours on the dyno and throw something their way to help you.
 
There is no need for a "tune". If you don't want to get your own wideband a good idea would be to go to a shop, put the car on the rollers with the shops wideband, and verify air fuel ratio. Maybe some small adjustments to the nitrous jetting would need to be made, but thats about it.

Unless you start getting really complicated with the nitrous, or you have some radical setup, for a streetcar the only difference between the motor tune and nitrous tune is pulling some timing on nitrous (if you even need to at all). All of the a/f tuning can be accomplished with jetting of the nitrous kit. Whats with all this "nitrous tune" talk? You don't need a $600 tune to spray, ok Crazzy Al??? (i love you Al)

:lol:
 
QUASAR said:
Whats with all this "nitrous tune" talk? You don't need a $600 tune to spray, ok Crazzy Al??? (i love you Al)

:lol:
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True, but 400 for a WB and he can get a tune for pretty close to that? :dontknow:
 
91trunk said:
True, but 400 for a WB and he can get a tune for pretty close to that? :dontknow:
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You can get a wideband for less than $200 new, but you need some way of logging the data (laptop).

A tune for what? All the tuning on a wet kit is done with the jets in the fogger nossle. The money would be much better spent on a WB that you could use forever. There's nothing that needs to be messed with inside the PCM on a mostly stock car to run nitrous.

He needs to figure out if timing needs to be pulled to run a small shot (75,100). If not he's golden. If you do, then you have to figure out if there is an external way of doing it without going into the pcm (timing retard box, IAT or CTS tricker). Last resort would be to get a custom nitrous tune to the pcm itself in which timing is pulled already (flip-chip tune).
 
i'd just get a flip chip and be done with it.. any future changes would easier to change also.
 
or you can just get a canned tune on a flip chip like i did. it's a nice, safe nitrous tune (with timing pulled) when you need it, then run a stock (or whatever) tune when you're not.

i spent $350 on a flip chip with a canned tune, and am spraying a 125 shot with no problems. then i can always get the chip re-tuned later when i get additional mods. :icon_mrgr

without pulling timing, i wouldn't spray more than a 50 shot on that car.
 
What does the aftermarket offer for timing retard on a late model ford?

The GM's can get away with 100-125 on stock timing as long as there is good gas in the tank and colder plugs.

The flip chip is nice, but realize all its probably doing is pulling timing. All the air fuel adjustments can be made with the jetting.
 
QUASAR said:
What does the aftermarket offer for timing retard on a late model ford?

The GM's can get away with 100-125 on stock timing as long as there is good gas in the tank and colder plugs.

The flip chip is nice, but realize all its probably doing is pulling timing. All the air fuel adjustments can be made with the jetting.
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unless i'm mistaken, there's nothing out there to retard timing for the 99+ mustangs aside from a chip or tuner. at least i haven't seen anything.

and yes, the flip chip is nice. and it does whatever the tuner tells it to do. :icon_mrgr

mines doing a little more than pulling timing, however. though a full dyno tune would be a lot better, i couldn't justify it when i knew it was going to need another tune this winter anyways.
 
MxRacerCam said:
unless i'm mistaken, there's nothing out there to retard timing for the 99+ mustangs aside from a chip or tuner. at least i haven't seen anything.

and yes, the flip chip is nice. and it does whatever the tuner tells it to do. :icon_mrgr

mines doing a little more than pulling timing, however. though a full dyno tune would be a lot better, i couldn't justify it when i knew it was going to need another tune this winter anyways.
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you are right...nothig except a handheld tuner, but I would agree on getting a tune. I know I have to...flip clip sounds like the way to go too.

OH YEAH... check out
www.corral.net they are running a group purchase on innovate A/F systems...way cheaper than that price
http://www.corral.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=309
 
Thanks to all of you for your advice and input. I'm still deciding what to do, only reason i want the wideband is because i would be able to know exactly what my air/fuel is at all times, and i figure since im running a small shot on a mostly stock motor that like some of you said i should be able to tune it my self. I mean i could pay $400-$600 for a dyno tune, or 200-400 for a chip, but for the money i would be able to see what is the most important detail about tuning the car. I have a diablo predator but i hate it, probably going to sell it and get an SCT2, i also have a laptop i could use.....so on goes the decision.

Ryan
 
with the predator can you remove timing?

If you have access to a laptop, you can get an Innovate LC1 for under $200.
 
kovacs32 said:
Thanks to all of you for your advice and input. I'm still deciding what to do, only reason i want the wideband is because i would be able to know exactly what my air/fuel is at all times, and i figure since im running a small shot on a mostly stock motor that like some of you said i should be able to tune it my self. I mean i could pay $400-$600 for a dyno tune, or 200-400 for a chip, but for the money i would be able to see what is the most important detail about tuning the car. I have a diablo predator but i hate it, probably going to sell it and get an SCT2, i also have a laptop i could use.....so on goes the decision.

Ryan
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well, if you already have a tuner, then a wideband is a good idea. do it. then jet it for 150 hp! :icon_mrgr
 
yep
I just got a wideand for 260
I got it so I can watch the afr on spray. Wet kits make tuning easy.
Can you do the IAT trick on fords to remove some timing.
Like was said. alot of people run 100 with out removing timing on ls1'a
 
ok the diablo tuner is ok.. you can pull timing and do fuel adjustments.. you can do maf translations also.. shut off post cats .. and more..

buy the wideband and tune it your self if you want..

I used a widband and a diablo on a 05 mustang and it runs pretty good for whats done compared to others i've seen.. and the diablo does real time time loading you can watch just about any pid data you want.
 
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