Holiday Laptop Buying Guide

Not to hijack here, but how are folks liking their macs? I'm about to throw all of my virus-prone Dells in the trash and move over to the dark side.
 
Not to hijack here, but how are folks liking their macs? I'm about to throw all of my virus-prone Dells in the trash and move over to the dark side.

Better not get a Mac then. It's starting to get just as many problems as Windows with malware and viruses. Just look up Mac Defender for a comparible virus to Antivirus 20xx. Recently a viruses spawning software called a crimekit was released to generate viruses and malware for mac's.

Viruses are not the problems with Computers. It's the people using the computers that are the problems.
 
:lol:

Sure.

you better call up the ghost of Steve Jobs and tell them they need to rethink their own press release.

http://www.thetechherald.com/articles/Apple-finally-admits-to-Rogue-anti-Virus-problems

Look, they even referrenced Robvas

“We don't see as much Mac malware as Windows malware. Not by a long shot. But that doesn't mean that Mac users can afford to have their heads in the sand about protecting their precious computers,” commented Graham Cluley when talking about Mac-based Malware last year.
 
:lol:

Sure.

uhm, he's right.

Check out these articles:

It just works -- except when you're infected

Apple, Inc. (AAPL) has long maligned the Windows PC as being virus laden, while promoting its own Mac computers as being immune to such evils. But despite this "It just works" publicity campaign, recent OS X malware [1][2][3][4] has forced Apple onto the defensive, silently rolling out tools to remove malicious programs from users' computers.
...
For Apple, it's yet another indication that company's public effort to feign ignorance on malware is harming customers. While tech-savvy Mac users understand their platforms are just as susceptible to infections as PCs, in theory if not in practice, less tech-savvy users often believe their Mac is magically immune to infection. This belief is perpetuated by Apple's advertisements and the company's technicians, which were revealed to be under orders to lie to customers -- feigning ignorance of infections. This approach has led to at least some of Apple's customers being victimized by the hacking community.

http://www.dailytech.com/Devil+Robb...heir+GPUs+for+Bitcoin+Profit/article23161.htm

and a lot more...:

http://www.dailytech.com/Devil+Robb...heir+GPUs+for+Bitcoin+Profit/article23161.htm
http://www.dailytech.com/Apple+Orde...+Ignorance+About+Mac+Malware/article21693.htm
http://www.dailytech.com/Apple+Trie...ly+to+See+New+Variety+Pop+Up/article21795.htm
http://www.dailytech.com/Apple+Wont...tection+So+Sophos+Decides+To/article20068.htm
http://www.dailytech.com/Developer+...n+iOS+Apple+Bans+His+Account/article23216.htm


apple is LYING to its customers trying to save face...FAIL.

I have used both, and I'll never use a mac unless I HAVE to.
 
you better call up the ghost of Steve Jobs and tell them they need to rethink their own press release.

http://www.thetechherald.com/articles/Apple-finally-admits-to-Rogue-anti-Virus-problems

Look, they even referrenced Robvas

You said "They're starting to have as much problems with anti-virus as Windows"

Which couldn't be further from the truth. Are there trojan-horse apps out there that dumb people can install? Sure. What happens is you download an app from the browser (you get tricked because the web page looks like a virus scanner or something like that), or you download some torrent with a pirated app, and you CHOOSE to install it, you enter your password, and then you get 'the virus'.

It's nothing like on a Windows computer where you can simply get a virus by going to a web page that has a banner add that contains an infected PDF or Flash file and gets installed without you clicking on a single thing.

Search 'Windows virus' and you get 18 million hits on how people get them out of the blue and can't remove them. Search for 'Mac virus' and you get a bunch of people asking if it's possible, news articles warning about the 'new mac virus that's going to take over the world' and companies trying to sell you antivirus software for the Mac.

Even the Mac forums are pretty damn quiet when it comes to people who actually have the problem coming in for help.
 
I've got the Dell 15z and love it so far. I spent $50 at Crucial and bought 8gb of RAM for it, swapped it out, and can't complain one bit.$1000 for a MBP clone running Win7, it's a powerhouse.
 
You said "They're starting to have as much problems with anti-virus as Windows"

Which couldn't be further from the truth. Are there trojan-horse apps out there that dumb people can install? Sure. What happens is you download an app from the browser (you get tricked because the web page looks like a virus scanner or something like that), or you download some torrent with a pirated app, and you CHOOSE to install it, you enter your password, and then you get 'the virus'.

It's nothing like on a Windows computer where you can simply get a virus by going to a web page that has a banner add that contains an infected PDF or Flash file and gets installed without you clicking on a single thing.

Search 'Windows virus' and you get 18 million hits on how people get them out of the blue and can't remove them. Search for 'Mac virus' and you get a bunch of people asking if it's possible, news articles warning about the 'new mac virus that's going to take over the world' and companies trying to sell you antivirus software for the Mac.

Even the Mac forums are pretty damn quiet when it comes to people who actually have the problem coming in for help.

lol...except those exist now...
 
Was going to say. Zero Hour attacks exist for Mac's as well.


*******************SAND******************
Robvas head
Infect a Mac and give me a screenshot of it. I'll wait.

You're pathetic. The news articles about "Mac viruses have finally appeared" have been coming out ever since they switched - back in like 2001! There's always articles about "Mac found to be the most insecure web browser", blah blah.

But the truth stands: People are not lining up to pay $100 a pop to get the computers cleaned up like Windows users are. Nobody with a Mac has this happen to them:

uHpxp.jpg


HUuki.jpg


Edit: Same goes for Linux, so don't call me a fanboy. There have been similar trojans for Ubuntu but again, it's not the same thing so they don't have that problem.
 
Last edited:
I guess wavering opinions on this topic. I'm far from a pc whiz, I just know over the years I've had my share of viruses that I had to clean off, as have others I know. My sister in-law has been using her mac for almost 2 yrs and hasn't had a lick of issues, but that is the extent of my personal knowledge which is why I asked. Appreciate the info from all.
 
I guess wavering opinions on this topic. I'm far from a pc whiz, I just know over the years I've had my share of viruses that I had to clean off, as have others I know. My sister in-law has been using her mac for almost 2 yrs and hasn't had a lick of issues, but that is the extent of my personal knowledge which is why I asked. Appreciate the info from all.

Without getting sidetracked, here's the breakdown on Macs:

They've been on Intel chips for the last 6 years. That means the guts of the computer - the CPU, the memory, the hard drives...it's all the same stuff you're going to get from Dell. But that's where the similarities end.

They have 3 desktop computers:

Mac Mini - Little bitty guy for $600. You can't find a PC this small. Plug your existing monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc in because it comes all by itself.

Mac Pro - A beast of a workstation, Xeon processors, ECC memory...You're only going to get this if you are doing 3D graphics or hardcore video stuff. They're expensive but so are workstations from Dell or HP.

iMac - The best all-in-one computer there is. 21.5" model for $1199 or you can spend more and get a 27" monster. Everyone where I work who doesn't have a laptop has one of these.

They also have 2 laptops:

Macbook Air - Thin, light, and now copycat 'Ultrabooks' from companies like Acer are hitting the stores. Starts at $999, they are the best portable machine you can get. 11" or 13" models available. If you need to take more than 128GB of data with you, you'll need to get an external hard drive or spend big money on a larger SSD. You're also limited to 4GB of RAM with the Air, but that shoudn't be a problem for 95% of the people out there. They also don't have a DVD drive.

Macbook Pro - Used to be thin and light until the Air came out. Solid aluminium, they have set the standard for laptops and PC manufacturers have just started to attempt to copy (See HP and Dell). 7-hour batteries, screen sizes of 13, 15, and 17 inches, quad-core processors, up to 16GB of RAM and dual hard drives... The glossy screen can be a turn-off for some users, so a matte option is available.

Mac OS X operating system - A tested UNIX core with an Apple user interface. If you need to work with Word/Excel documents, there's Microsoft Office 2011 or free alternative such as OpenOffice - but they aren't 100% of the Windows version. They are slower and have their own quirks.

All the common web browsers are available. Firefox, Chrome, Opera. You can even run Windows using Parallels or VirtualBox, or even boot straight to Windows using boot camp. Although, if you plan on using Windows 90% of the time, I would just get a Windows machine.

There's Mac software to do most of the stuff on Windows (Microsoft Office, Photoshop and the other Adobe apps, AutoCAD...), but since most people are doing either web-based applications or working with media such as movies/music, chance are you won't need any additional software, at least not anything you have to pay for.

Spec-for-spec, a Mac will more than likely cost a little bit more. But you can't buy the OS X operating system for a PC, and you don't get things like the amazing trackpad on the laptops (also available for desktops), instant sleep-resume that always works, or a system than turns on in 15 seconds for those times when you shut it all the way down. The resale value is much higher, so if you decide you don't like the thing, you'll be surprised at how much you can sell it for 6 months down the road, or even 2 years down the road when you decide to upgrade. Your first Mac might be $1200 but your second one will probably only be $400.
 
Infect a Mac and give me a screenshot of it. I'll wait.

You're pathetic. The news articles about "Mac viruses have finally appeared" have been coming out ever since they switched - back in like 2001! There's always articles about "Mac found to be the most insecure web browser", blah blah.

But the truth stands: People are not lining up to pay $100 a pop to get the computers cleaned up like Windows users are. Nobody with a Mac has this happen to them:

uHpxp.jpg


HUuki.jpg


Edit: Same goes for Linux, so don't call me a fanboy. There have been similar trojans for Ubuntu but again, it's not the same thing so they don't have that problem.

it's only a matter of time...most of those issues are caused by USERS.
 
it's only a matter of time...most of those issues are caused by USERS.

Again, people have been saying that for the last 10 years about Mac OS X and for the last 15 about Linux.

To be fair, there have been quite a few Linux worms, but those almost always involve things like Apache or MySQL (similar to the Microsoft SQL worms that have hit Wind0ws) which don't typicall run on home desktops.
 
I donno. Our next computer will be a 27" iMac. I'm gonna go get one with some tax return money. I've been using PC's ever since I could remember and every year, I have to back up my stuff, clear the hard drive and start from scratch because of viruses and all that jazz. Some of my friends have Mac laptops and they never ever ever ever ever have problems at all......and they watch porn and download music and all sorts of no no stuff that cause viruses to infect computers. My one buddy has a mac laptop that is 5 years old. He uses it every day and never ever cleaned the hard drive, or did a lick of maintenance on it. It runs like the day he bought it. My last computer I bought is 3 years old. I have Mcfree anit virus software on it (updated), dont go to porn sites, dont download music with it or anything. I'm real careful with it and I still have to clear the drive every year. Its a pile of shit that I keep putting money into.
 
I have to say I was reluctant to get my MacBookPro, but once I made the switch I will never buy a personal windows based laptop again! My MBP is about 4 years old now and it is just as fast today as it was when I first powered it on, let me hear anyone say that about there pc. I am really impressed with all the little features the laptop has, its all in the details, magnetic power cord (no more tripping over the cord and seeing your computer fall off the desk), illuminated keyboard, magnetic latches that recess in the screen when open, a simple and clean design and a track pad that is pure sex. Hell, the first time I installed a program on my MBP I thought I screwed something up. "You mean all I have to do is take this one file and place it in this one folder and voila its installed?? No something can't be right about that, I'm used to spending 20 minutes with progressive bars and an hour glass installing file after file, cluttering up my hard drive and grinding my PC to a halt with every program I installed." It is literally that easy, drag and drop.

I can not comment on how much a pain in the ass it is when you have to fix something because it has worked flawlessly since day one. On the other hand by the two year mark on all my other laptops I would have to open them up and clean them out due to overheating or breaking components at least once by this time. I did recently upgrade my HDD from the 280Gig to a 1Tb and was pretty stoked to see that go off with little effort at all. After replacing the hard drive you could not tell the difference, even y desktop was arranged the same.

I saved the best part for the end....how many virus updates and computer scans have you had to do in two years on your windows pc? I can tell you that I have not had to do a single one, even while running torrent programs, downloading many movies, music and various programs...not a single issue.

You may be reluctant to try one but trust me once you do you will not believe how simple and reliable a computer can be. Try to look for an open box Mac at BestBuy and try it out for a week. If you don't like it just take it back.
 
I don't run Antivirus (except on work pc because it's pushed out by GPO) and haven't had a virus, or malicious software in over 8 years. Most of what you just outlined, has been on PC's as well. When it comes to hardware, there really is no difference.

If you're going to buy from Best Buy, be aware that there is a 15% restocking fee. I don't know if they would even let you return an open box item to begin with. Most of those sales are 'final'.
 
Back
Top