Ford 8.8 rear end guys, come in!

nitrouspete

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im about to replace my stock internals with 33 spline axles, full spool, and c clip elims. what are my chances ill be able to get away with using the same shims and not touching the pinion nut at all. ill be reusing the same gear. anyone have any pictures of how the yellow paint mark should look on the gear after i spin it? thanks in advance!
 
Get a pinion install kit, don't cut corners on rear axle stuff.
Edit> I think American muscle had a good write up on line on the 8.8
 
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thanks for the input guys, car only has 80k original miles on it, no play anywhere....just dont think the stock stuffs gonna hold up to what im about to throw at it. got a great deal on an all moser 33 spline kit for 500$ i just couldn't pass up......lol
 
See if you can get 2 at that price. So when your first experiment comes apart you'll have another on hand to pay someone to do it right. Hopefully it don't screw up the housing when it comes apart taking short cuts
 
x2 take the money you are saving and buy an install kit.
See if you can get 2 at that price. So when your first experiment comes apart you'll have another on hand to pay someone to do it right. Hopefully it don't screw up the housing when it comes apart taking short cuts
 
See if you can get 2 at that price. So when your first experiment comes apart you'll have another on hand to pay someone to do it right. Hopefully it don't screw up the housing when it comes apart taking short cuts

why exactly would it come apart seeing that the only thing i wouldn't be replacing, if i was doing a short cut, would be the pinion bearings that have zero play at all. i would never pay anyone to do anything on my car. not only is this racing but its a learning experience. alot of guys that know this stuff dident become experts by paying other guys to do it for them.....BUILT NOT BOUGHT.
 
Id say assemble it, check the gear (make sure you have a full understanding of the paint and spin test).....If it passes the same test it would with a new shim, i don't see any reason why it would fail for that reason......Just don't settle with "well it is close' just to get out of reshimming with new. Make sure it is spot on....I would say you will be fine.
 
Do not remove the pinion! remove carrier only. install ring gear on new carrier. You can try using the same carrier shims. Check your gear run out and backlash. If they check out you should be good to go. I would not recommend just putting it together and hoping for the best. If you dont know how to check those things do a google search or shoot me a PM. Someone local should have shims in case you need to adjust backlash.
 
Do not remove the pinion! remove carrier only. install ring gear on new carrier. You can try using the same carrier shims. Check your gear run out and backlash. If they check out you should be good to go. I would not recommend just putting it together and hoping for the best. If you dont know how to check those things do a google search or shoot me a PM. Someone local should have shims in case you need to adjust backlash.


This is correct. If you think your rear axle assy is in good condition and do not want to remove the pinion, then just install the old gear on the new spool and you can try to use the old shims, however I highly doubt they will be correct.
Once the carrier is out, I suggest turning the pinion by hand to feel for any roughness/grumble when you rotate it. If its rough or crumbly (searching for a word here to describe) then your going to need new pinion bearings. What your after when you install the spool (Note: you will need new bearings on the spool-do not try to remove & re use the carrier bearings) is correct pre load and proper back lash. The spool should install tight, and be difficult to remove (pry bar will be required when correct). Use a dial indicator and set lash @ .006-.008". 99% chance you will have to use different shims to accomplish this. The factory shims come in .002 increments. Unless you have milk crates full of 8.8 shims, you most likely will not have or be able to obtain the correct side shims. They do make adjustable or stack-able shims that will get you out of trouble. Checking pattern will be useless because you are not removing the pinion, and used gears you cannot change the pattern on. They take a set after they break in, and you will find that changing the pinion shim .010" in either direction will not change the pattern. Set lash, make sure the carrier fits tight (Note: its very easy to break the cast iron side shims when installing-coat the mating parts with a light amount of gear lube, tap lightly-pay attention. While you can check for run out (changes in the lash) there nothing you can do about it. Be careful when mating the ring gear to the spool. It should actually be pressed on. If you tighten the bolts to install it, do it evenly. You can bend the flange of the spool.
On another note, I would suggest a T/A cover.
 
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This is correct. If you think your rear axle assy is in good condition and do not want to remove the pinion, then just install the old gear on the new spool and you can try to use the old shims, however I highly doubt they will be correct.
Once the carrier is out, I suggest turning the pinion by hand to feel for any roughness/grumble when you rotate it. If its rough or crumbly (searching for a word here to describe) then your going to need new pinion bearings. What your after when you install the spool (Note: you will need new bearings on the spool-do not try to remove & re use the carrier bearings) is correct pre load and proper back lash. The spool should install tight, and be difficult to remove (pry bar will be required when correct). Use a dial indicator and set lash @ .006-.008". 99% chance you will have to use different shims to accomplish this. The factory shims come in .002 increments. Unless you have milk crates full of 8.8 shims, you most likely will not have or be able to obtain the correct side shims. They do make adjustable or stack-able shims that will get you out of trouble. Checking pattern will be useless because you are not removing the pinion, and used gears you cannot change the pattern on. They take a set after they break in, and you will find that changing the pinion shim .010" in either direction will not change the pattern. Set lash, make sure the carrier fits tight (Note: its very easy to break the cast iron side shims when installing-coat the mating parts with a light amount of gear lube, tap lightly-pay attention. While you can check for run out (changes in the lash) there nothing you can do about it. Be careful when mating the ring gear to the spool. It should actually be pressed on. If you tighten the bolts to install it, do it evenly. You can bend the flange of the spool.
On another note, I would suggest a T/A cover.


Thanks Gearbox! if i cant get it figured out on my own, the car will be rolling to you. haha Just gotta try it out, gotta atleast make an attempt to learn.
 
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