99 Grand Cherokee running issue

98modmustang

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I have been looking into my girlfriends WJ running issue for a while now and have not had any luck. It is a 99 WJ with the 4.0L. Here is what is happening, the first start up every day it will run fine. After that once it heats up every time you start it, it runs like shit. Idles up and down smells like it is dumping fuel. No codes are present also. All the information I have right now is leading me towards PCM. It starts to run like crap as soon as it goes into closed loop. Now the O2s start off at upstream 5.00 volts and 4.70 for the down stream. When it is running like this the short term fuel trim it -24% roughly. Has no throttle response and does back fire. I have replaced both O2s with OE ones, TPS, IAC, MAP. Checked out the ECT and IAT and everything is fine there. I checked for any wiring issues in the O2 circuit and did not find anything. Now remember this is both O2s and from my understanding the computer should not even register the voltage being that high since it is a 0-1 volt circuit it should only be showing the max voltage that it knows which is 1 volt or at least that is how I am looking at it. What am I missing? Any advice or help would be greatly appreciated. Both O2s do drop down into the specified range after a couple minutes of this shit going on and then it runs fine until I shut it off and start it back up. Like I said it is once it goes from open loop to closed loop and I mean as soon as it hits closed loop is when it start running bad. After a couple of minutes it starts to run normal I could drive this thing to Florida with out a issue.
 
I did that also. I replaced the fuel pump and also the fuel filter/regulator. I have never had an issue that was this difficult or I have spent this much time on. That is why I am reaching out for help.
 
Here is what I found with the coolant temp sensor. According to the scan tool everything is okay. With voltage (verified with meter) and with that being said the gauge and scan tool both read a correct temp. When the engine is cool and I do just key on engine off the ECT and IAT or with in 5 degrees of each other. So that's the info i have on those two sensors. Is there any other test that I can do?
 
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[TD="class: bgNone, width: 80%"]Runs rough | Erratic idle | - | negative adaptives | => Explanation of possible causes for a HIGH NEGATIVE ADAPTIVE CONDITION.;Prior to replacing parts, please review the explanation below in the recommendation field.[/TD]
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[TD="class: bgNone, width: 80%"]Engine Performance,Idle Concern,Rough / Unstable / Erratic Idle,Noise,Vibration,Odor Issues;Customer Concern (No DTCs);Group 18 - Vehicle Performance / Driveability[/TD]
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[TD="class: bgNone, width: 80%"]Explanation of possible cause for a HIGH NEGATIVE ADAPTIVE CONDITION The adaptives become negative when the PCM decreases the injector pulse width in an attempt to make the oxygen sensor switch uniformly about the PCM's oxygen sensor goal voltage. This means that the oxygen sensor is producing a voltage that is close to one volt ( 1.0v ) consistently indicating a low oxygen (rich) state in the exhaust. The causes of the oxygen sensor reading a higher voltage usually falls into three main categories: 1) Excessive amount of fuel, 2) Not enough air, and 3) The PCM is being provided with the improper information. THE FOLLOWING IS A GENERIC LIST OF POSSIBLE CAUSES. THE LIST IS PROVIDED AS AN EXAMPLE OF POSSIBILITIES. SOME OF THESE MAY NOT APPLY TO YOUR SPECIFIC VEHICLE. IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO DECIDE WHICH COULD APPLY. THIS IS NOT A COMPREHENSIVE LIST: MERELY THE MORE COMMON CAUSES. 1) EXCESSIVE AMOUNT OF FUEL -- there is such an abundance of fuel that there is no left over oxygen in the exhaust after combustion. -- This additional fuel could be caused by any of the following: TOO HIGH OF FUEL PRESSURE WRONG FUEL INJECTOR LEAKING OR WORN INJECTORS LEAKING INJECTOR O-RINGS CONTAMINATED CHARCOAL CANNISTER (liquid fuel) DEFECTIVE PURGE SYSTEM PRESSURE REGULATOR WITH A HOLE IN THE DIAPHRAM (vacuum compensated type ) CRANKCASE CONTAMINATED WITH FUEL (fuel contaminated with fuel other than gasoline such as diesel will wash past the piston rings and end up in the crankcase,) 2) NOT ENOUGH AIR- For some reason the cylinders are not filling with the proper amount of air. The amount of oxygen in the combustion chamber is low . This condition could be cause by any of the following: CAM TIMING-(including loose timing chain, sheared cam dowel pins, keyways, or skipped teeth) WORN CAM LOBES OTHER VALVETRAIN PROBLEMS RESTRICTED EXHAUST EXCESSIVE EGR FLOW FOR CONDITION- (Be sure to verify that the vacuum hoses to the EGR vacuum transducer are routed correctly. If the vacuum lines are reversed the EGR valve will open and stay open until the engine is shut off.) 3) PCM IS BEING PROVIDED IMPROPER INFORMATION- If the PCM does not receive proper sensor readings it will not deliver the proper injector pulse width for conditions. The following is a list of sensor problems that could cause short and long term adaptives to be highly negative: COOLANT SENSOR CALIBRATION (sensor is reading much colder than the actual engine temperature). OXYGEN SENSOR CIRCUIT PROBLEM- (this includes O2 sensor heater, grounds, signal wire problems, heater operation. Once the O2 sensor reaches operating temperature the voltage should never exceed 1.02v) MAP SENSOR CALIBRATION--One of the most important readings for testing a MAP sensor is the voltage reading obtained with the DRBIII with the ignition on and the engine off. This voltage reading is important because the PCM uses this for calculating barometric pressure. If the PCM does not "know" the correct air density from the MAP sensor (baro. reading) it will have to drastically change the fuel curve through the adaptives to get the proper response from the oxygen sensor. Below is a chart of key on MAP sensor readings for a given elevation. You should get to know what is normal for your area. Elevation (feet) Baro Reading (in.-hg.) MAP voltage 0 (sea level) 29.92 4.6v 29.67 500 29.42 29.17 1000 28.92 28.67 4.4v 1500 28.42 28.17 2000 27.92 27.67 2500 27.42 4.2v 27.17 3000 26.92 26.67 3500 26.42 26.17 4.0v 4000 25.92 25.67 4500 25.42 25.17 5000 24.92 3.8v VOLTAGE SENSE-- The PCM compensates the injector pulsewidth based upon charging system voltage. The higher the voltage => the stronger the magnetic field opening the pintle valve in the injector. The PCM compensates for this condition. If the PCM sense a lower voltage than is applied to the injectors the Adaptives will become negative.
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Here is what I found with the coolant temp sensor. According to the scan tool everything is okay. With voltage (verified with meter) and with that being said the gauge and scan tool both read a correct temp. When the engine is cool and I do just key on engine off the ECT and IAT or with in 5 degrees of each other. So that's the info i have on those two sensors. Is there any other test that I can do?

Possible vacuum leak.
You're in SCS? I might be able to stop by to take a look. PM me if ya want.
 
Yes it is kinda rusty and I will go after some grounds tonight or tomorrow. I will take you up on that offer Beigg. I need as much help with this as I can get, it is driving me insane. I appreciate everyone's help with this. I will shoot you a PM Beigg. That chart from 1BADAIR will help also, so thank you.
 
I cleaned all the grounds and battery terminals. Got nothing there. I check resistance on the injectors there all with in spec. Checked for any wire issues in the problem areas and nothing. When it screws up it sounds like it is trying to get air from somewhere and it can't. Almost sounds like it makes its own vacuum leak. When I created a leak it gets better but still runs rough just not as bad.
 
I had one that acted real similar to what you are describing, and it was O/2 sensors I would check them again remember just cause there new don't mean there ok, also check the wiring harness for the injectors were it runs along the valve cover along the top have seen those chafed and cause weird stuff and one other thing that is common on 4.0L is crank sensors have seen those do goofy things especially when hot
 
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