309rwhp/334rwtq NA GT40P Mustang. Got ole' TOOSLO back on the dyno this eve.

[TooSlo86]

So, after the 7 hours I spent driving all over South-Eastern MI today picking up parts from a couple of forum members (THOR84GT & 1mean85gt) I went over to my buddies place where they were having a Dyno Party. Mind you, 98% of the vehicles there were nasty Cummins diesels, but what-ever. Anyway, since I wanted to get a baseline before I installed the aluminum driveshaft and a set of roller rockers I picked up today (knowing I was having this same dyno at my place in 2wks) I said the hell with it and auntie-d up. Damn am I ever glad I did!

Last year at Back to the Bricks on Livernois Dyno prior to me "really" using the Moates Quarterhorse the car put down 284rwhp/303rwtq in STD correction. Mind you, this is a 125K+ mile factory untouched Ford built 1997 Explorer GT40P LONG BLOCK (that means heads have never been off to port) with my cam, pushrods, retainers, valve springs, upper/lower EFI intake, yada, yada, your normal bolt on stuff. So what did it do today you ask???? Oh wait, you don't care.....well, I'm sure that there are plenty of NA 12 second guys out there, hell, 13 second guys on aluminum heads, that care, or will give me absolute s__t about this as I've already seen at the track so, I will entertain, cuz isn't that what all this is about anyhow? Serious as a heart attack though, she blew my mind and laid down 309/334 at the wheels. The dyno owner and his business partner were blown away since they are both fox body guys and the one guy said he was a bit depressed since his T/F headed 302 wouldn't make those #'s. Am I getting a big head? Nope, just realizing the fruit of my labors over the years of constantly tweaking/tuning it. S__T is bad arse.

Do you doubt it? Come on up to my place Oct. 1st for MY dyno day. Anyone interested please pm me and I'll get you the info. I would REALLY like to see some more Mustangs represent up here! And lest you think that I only want Mustangs, I am a converted die hard F-Body freak, and my brother in law with his '02 WS-6 will be there, along with some old school Buick guys, man I could care less what it is, as long as it makes some noise up there while the rest of us sit back and drink beer!

 

[DetroitStyle]

So, you're drunk?

 

[TooSlo86]

Yup, punch drunk on the dyno, flat trippin' bro. And it's a bitch too, cuz it's a Dyno thing drunk!:thumbsup: Oh, and really, no :sad:, I had to drive the car back home!

 

[Quick86]

Mine with iron heads and an F-Cam did 305 to the rear tires with some problems in the ignition and fuel system and a restrictive ass air cleaner setup.

Sounds like we've got a pair of evenly matched cars

 

[JeffB]

This must be Chris? I see Mid Michigan as yor location.

 

[SuperStang90]

Mine with aluminum heads, b cam and bbk ss1 intake only made 284

 

[black88coupe]

Nice numbers. Congrats.

 

[TooSlo86]

Mine with iron heads and an F-Cam did 305 to the rear tires with some problems in the ignition and fuel system and a restrictive ass air cleaner setup.

Sounds like we've got a pair of evenly matched cars

No way, haven't you heard the naysayers? It can't be done on production iron heads:lau:

Evenly matched on the dyno, how about the 1/4? Ever take it out?

So get it straightened out if you haven't and bring it on over on the 1st, I'm only about 35-40 mins out of Lansing.

This must be Chris? I see Mid Michigan as yor location.

Yes sir, this must be Jeff B. huh? A fastback too? I'm jealous.

 

[Quick86]

No way, haven't you heard the naysayers? It can't be done on production iron heads:lau:

Evenly matched on the dyno, how about the 1/4? Ever take it out?

So get it straightened out if you haven't and bring it on over on the 1st, I'm only about 35-40 mins out of Lansing.

Yes sir, this must be Jeff B. huh? A fastback too? I'm jealous.

Where you located at?

 

[TooSlo86]

Just outside of Elsie, north of Owosso Speedway. Takes me 35 minutes to get to Eastwood Plaza there on Lake Lansing and 127.

 

[camaromann]

If you had diesels on the dyno then I'd be suspect of your numbers. Either the roller couldn't be loaded properly for the dieasels or couldn't be loaded properly for your car.

 

[TooSlo86]

If you had diesels on the dyno then I'd be suspect of your numbers. Either the roller couldn't be loaded properly for the dieasels or couldn't be loaded properly for your car.

They did the diesels before the gas cars/trucks, and motorcycles. I'm not suspect in any way since my #'s before I started using the quarterhorse, and the fact that I have picked up some good et since then also. I guess we'll see on the 1st when I put it back on the same dyno at my place.

 

[TooSlo86]

New #'s with FRPP roller rockers and FRPP aluminum driveshaft from Thor

Well we did it, we had our dyno party this past saturday. I got the FRPP roller rockers in and the FRPP driveshaft. In the end they were worth 8hp and 12lb/ft, this wasn't just at peak, with the pulls overlayed I picked up throughout the range. Granted this was done on different days but same dyno, same correction factor (SAE). So now the #'s are 317rwhp and 346rwtq. It was a great day, we had a total of 9 cars and trucks run, and man there were some cool ones! My poor little 302 was 2nd from the bottom as far as HP/TQ, but it was also the smallest engine on there too. I did get 2 good datalogs from the pulls also.

 

[gub]

Howd you get it to make such high #'s? seems like alot of people with aftermarket top end kits cant break 300 often.

 

[TooSlo86]

Howd you get it to make such high #'s? seems like alot of people with aftermarket top end kits cant break 300 often.

That's exactly what the dyno owner was saying, he's a fox body guy himself and so is his business partner who said he was jealous because his TFS headed 302 only cranked out 301. Only thing I can say is, tweak, tweak, tweak. And do alot of homework before throwing a combo together. It took me a while to determine what cam I wanted to go with. Many years of dialing it in and little things here and there. The quarterhorse tuner hasn't hurt as a year ago before that it only made 284/303. It's shown at the track too, with a year ago being able to knock down a 12.56@108 and this year it went 12.47@110 so far. I'm still a far cry from what I would like to see out of it, just check out the Factory Stocks in the NMRA, granted, in the current years they have way too much $$ in their bottom ends, but back when they had to run stock cams there were guys in the 11's with less than what I'm running.

Just realized I covered alot of that 2 weeks ago :crazy:

 

[gub]

Wow, you're lucky. I think my setup only puts out like a mid 2 through an auto and i got alum. heads. :gr_confus

 

[79cobra]

Good job! Is that a custom ground cam or off the shelf?

 

[Nokooler]

Hmm, I'm noticing the Mt. Pleasant location on the dyno slip. Do they have a dyno there??

 

[OldbutNew]

Nice work on the numbers! What kind of tuner are you using? You mentioned a 70mm TB. What size injectors?

 

[TooSlo86]

Wow, you're lucky. I think my setup only puts out like a mid 2 through an auto and i got alum. heads.

Ok, but you have to remember, that auto is eating up alot more HP in parasitic loss than my 5 speed too. Also, are you running on a stock tune? The dyno owners buddy with the TFS heads hasn't put a tune on it other than for idle. So it's no doubt he's got alot to gain still, even as mild a set up as mine is on the stock tune the car ran like crap, I have actually noticed more in terms of drive-ability than flat out WOT. And I have plenty of opportunity to notice it too, in the summer months I drive the car 85 miles a day which lends itself to a whole lot of tuning opportunities. My fuel mileage has increased nearly 3mpg also.

Good job! Is that a custom ground cam or off the shelf?

It's an AFM B-21 blower cam, but like I said, I didn't just settle on it, I did a lot of running cams through engine simulators to find not the best HP cam but the one that got the car through the 1/4 with the best times and even though it is a blower cam designed for 1.7 rockers it is the one that worked the best on the simulators. That's another place where the dyno owners buddy differs, he is running an alphabet cam and stock gt40 intake and is amazed how mine pulled all the way strong to 6k where his drops off around 5400. Speaking of 1.7 ratio rockers, when I finally went and decided on these FRPP rockers I stuck with the stock 1.6 ratio because Anderson Ford couldn't tell me for sure that I would have good p/v clearance on the explorer long block. They said no problem if it was the factory H.O. but didn't have experience with the GT40P long block, not to mention the heads are pretty well done flowing at .4-.45 lift and even with the 1.6 rockers I'm already beyond that in terms of lift so I couldn't see pushing the lift even more with the 1.7's.

Hmm, I'm noticing the Mt. Pleasant location on the dyno slip. Do they have a dyno there??

Actually his dyno is a mobile outfit, so it's where-ever, but yes, he has a tuning shop there. He is a great, knowledgeable guy that I have turned to whenever I get to a point I need input on tuning and is glad to help out, not to mention, he's got the dyno that makes for a very useful tool, and a fun day if you can gather up enough people! Speaking of that, I did try to post to the forum 3 times the invitations to my dyno party Saturday, for what-ever reason it would say that it had to go through a moderator before being posted, so, I contacted Sparky, and got no response :sad: So aside from the few of you I knew were in the area that I IM'd, I'm sorry.

Nice work on the numbers! What kind of tuner are you using? You mentioned a 70mm TB. What size injectors?

It's a Moates Quarterhorse and I use Binary Editor from Clint Garrity for software, it's the greatest thing, it's WAY less $ than a PMS, and from what I've seen, just as powerful. I almost went with a chip burner and chips when I purchased it but the guys at Moates advised against it unless I was a tuning/dyno shop, said I would regret having to pull the chip and burn it on the bench everytime I wanted to make a change, damn am I glad I listened to them. Yes, it's a 70MM professional products TB and EGR spacer to compliment the professional products typhoon intake (edelbrock rpm knockoff) and I run Ford blue top 24lbers and a Holley 190lph pump.

I'm still working at getting my videos from saturdays dyno day up on YouTube and assuming it successfully uploaded when I left this morning my 317-346 pull is posted on my channel without a name other than what the camera calls it, you can check it out at TOOSLO86 channel, I'll get it named and other pulls from the day posted later and put a link up. Speaking of other pulls now, I had to use my first pull to see what this thing did in the same fashion I drive it to work everyday, the only differences is I run through the mufflers and keep my long belt on spinning the power steering pump, in that trim it made 302.8hp and 336lbft, after that is when I popped the race readies and put the short belt on to bypass the power steering pump, just as I do when I race it.

I'm also thinking about starting a thread to show the differences in the addition of the rollers/driveshaft since when I was looking into this there really wasn't any "good, solid" info out there, just a lot of here-sea, only thing is I wish I could have done it all in one day to solidify it.